On the Green picking marker accidentally

[apj0524]

Is there a penalty here:

Playing partner makes ball on the green, repairs pitch match and accidentally picks up ball marker without putting out, he recognised the mistake and put the maker back where he thought it was and putted out.

Whats the ruling? I think nothing as it was a genuine mistake that was corrected before finishing the hole, other had said a two shot penalty?

 

[jim8flog]

IMO in this situation the marker is the same as the ball and the penalty is one shot

 

[Imurg]

IMO in this situation the marker is the same as the ball and the penalty is one shot

And a slap for being a pillock

 

[SammmeBee]

IMO in this situation the marker is the same as the ball and the penalty is one shot

Yes but no penalty as it’s on the green…..

 

[Colin L]

Yes but no penalty as it’s on the green…..

Really? I don't see any such exception in Rule 9.7b

 

[SammmeBee]

Really? I don't see any such exception in Rule 9.7b

Really?

 

[Colin L]

Really?

Yes, really. You'll need to spell it out for me - bearing in mind that the OP is wrong in describing the action of absentmindedly lifting the marker as accidental.

 

[bladeplayer]

IMO in this situation the marker is the same as the ball and the penalty is one shot

No penalty for accidentaly moving ur ball or marker on the green

 

[bladeplayer]

Yes, really. You'll need to spell it out for me - bearing in mind that the OP is wrong in describing the action of absentmindedly lifting the marker as accidental.

Hi Colin . Is it the wording ur talking about ? Would i be incorrect to assume unintentionaly would = accidentaly ??

If u didnt mean it , i would class it as accidental
Thanks

 

[Foxholer]

Hi Colin . Is it the wording ur talking about ? Would i be incorrect to assume unintentionaly would = accidentaly ??

If u didnt mean it , i would class it as accidental
Thanks

That might be the case if, say, player moved it with his/her foot - forgetting/not realising where marker was. But actually picking marker up? That's not accidental, but 'absentmindedly' as Colin posted.

 

[Colin L]

Picking up a ball or a marker is a deliberate action, not accidental.

 

[SammmeBee]

Picking up a ball or a marker is a deliberate action, not accidental.

He said it was accidental so why wouldn’t it be?!

 

[bladeplayer]

That might be the case if, say, player moved it with his/her foot - forgetting/not realising where marker was. But actually picking marker up? That's not accidental, but 'absentmindedly' as Colin posted.

Thank u. I would not have viewed it as such until i read ur answer , very well explained ?

 

[doublebogey7]

He said it was accidental so why wouldn’t it be?!

He may have said that, but is that was is meant. Can anyone really pick something up other than by deliberate action?

 

[drdel]

Surely context is everything here. In a 'normal' or even a club game an accidental action can be ignored.

 

[Colin L]

He said it was accidental so why wouldn’t it be?!

It wouldn't be because picking something up can't be accidental whether done absent-mindedly or by mistake. It is a purposeful, controlled action intended to achieve a particular outcome. Accidentally moving a golf ball or anything else is the unexpected, unintended,unplanned, unwanted by-product of an action made for a different purpose.

 

[rulefan]

He said it was accidental so why wouldn’t it be?!

It's the difference between knocking over a vase of water when trying to reach a flower on the other side of the table and pouring the water down the sink and then realising you were planning to use it again.
The former was an accident the latter wasn't.

In this case the player grasped the ball in his fingers and lifted it off the ground. What hidden power forced his fingers to do that?

 

[salfordlad]

For anyone unconvinced that this action gets a penalty, there have been very clear RB rulings affirming this action gets a 9.7 penalty - this is not the type of "accidental" movement that qualify for no penalty as explained in 13.1d(1)/1.

 

[jim8flog]

No penalty for accidentaly moving ur ball or marker on the green

I would agree with others

The action was not accidental in the meaning of accidental in the rules it was a deliberate action.

 

[apj0524]

Is there a penalty here:

Playing partner makes ball on the green, repairs pitch match and accidentally picks up ball marker without putting out, he recognised the mistake and put the maker back where he thought it was and putted out.

Whats the ruling? I think nothing as it was a genuine mistake that was corrected before finishing the hole, other had said a two shot penalty?

Sorry for the use of accidentally, he marked ball, lifted ball to clean, repaired his pitch mark then picked (deliberate action but a bit of brain fad) up his marker (Plonker) and having cleaned his ball when to replace and realised his mistake, so thank you reading your replies I would say 9.7b applies, one shot penalty