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Alex1975
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I have not watched the video as the mrs is watching tv but the OP says Luke says he aimed the ball at the target... He didn't.
Old ball flight laws used by world no 1
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I have not watched the video as the mrs is watching tv but the OP says Luke says he aimed the ball at the target... He didn't.
JT77
Tour Winner
Does he say the club face is pointed at the object at impact, or does he say at address he points the club face at target, thus allowing swing path to control the face at impact?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
It's difficult to see 100% as you dont see the clubface directly behind the pin but why would he say he does and not do it on video?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
At address
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Alex1975
Guest
Oh I am sure he points the club face at the target at address if he says he does but that is not what he does at impact. Regions post explains it better than mine, the shot does not work as Luke is explaining, his body, hands, arms are closing the club head at impact. He can point it where he wants at address, his muscle memory takes over when he makes the shot.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Ok if he closes it at impact then why does it cut, surely closing the face prevents cut spin going on the ball especially if the ball is moved up in his stance?
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Alex1975
Guest
In relation to the swing path.
80% of the first part of the balls flight is dictated by the position of the club face at impact.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The ball will cut as long as the swingpath is to the left of his clubface direction.
Luke was taught golf in the USA, he was taught the old ball flight laws as thats what they still teach. In the UK they teach the correct way.
I agree that Luke can draw and fade shots at will but he does not do what he tells you, he probably does not know the physics of ball flight as thats not what his college taught him.
If you point the clubface at the target and swing left you will still fade the ball but it will finish right of where you intended.
Anyone doubting how the ball takes off the clubface then look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEHiY5iv5u4
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JT77
Tour Winner
Surely Luke would have been taught to play golf in England before he went to college in the us.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
He was taught as a professional in the USA, his University would teach him the ball flight laws.
kid2
Money List Winner
I think why most people find these laws hard to grasp is that they are a little unsure as to what the definition of target means......
I know most people know the exact definition but your not trying to get your ball to a target per say.......You want it to arrive at the destination which is where the flag is or a point in the fairway that you want the ball to land....This is NOT the target...It is the Destination......
Your target should be a point where you want the ball to start at NOT finish at....
So in effect you want your clubface to aim where you want the ball to start not where you want your ball to arrive....
I know most people know the exact definition but your not trying to get your ball to a target per say.......You want it to arrive at the destination which is where the flag is or a point in the fairway that you want the ball to land....This is NOT the target...It is the Destination......
Your target should be a point where you want the ball to start at NOT finish at....
So in effect you want your clubface to aim where you want the ball to start not where you want your ball to arrive....
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JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
No they don't, it's just written a little better in the Uk version, it's been taught wrong worldwide since time began. Only technology has improved to finally show just what the face/path ratio figures actually are.
JT77
Tour Winner
Really? I thought he would have learned to how to shot make whilst growing up and playing junior golf. The reason I say this is because most youngsters like to know how to do things like how to hit draws and fades whilst learning to play. I never played golf til I was 26 so what do I know about it.
However I played football and I remember spending hours trying to play the ball with both feet, and curl it with the instep and outside of the foot, part if the fun was learning new things, is golf that different?
However I played football and I remember spending hours trying to play the ball with both feet, and curl it with the instep and outside of the foot, part if the fun was learning new things, is golf that different?
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Yes it is. Top people in the game keep giving out duff information on ball flight.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Go argue that one with Bob. He seems to think he was taught the correct way.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
No need he's already said that he was wrong, and I sincerely respect him for saying so.
Whether or not that makes any difference to how he might instruct someone is neither here nor there as I appreciate the old ways will still have a marked result in terms of helping some people, as does teaching a 'feel' fix, as does performing drills.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
[video=youtube;Wnq6TiXw7wU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnq6TiXw7wU&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/video]
is this correct then? it has given me food for thought next time im at the range. im away from my clubs from tomoro for a week. god knows how ill last.
is this correct then? it has given me food for thought next time im at the range. im away from my clubs from tomoro for a week. god knows how ill last.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Anyone who believes this is the only place they've seen 'New Ball Flight' laws should do a Google of 'Ball Flight Laws' and follow any of the dozensof links that throws up.
A book first published in 1968 for the Golf Clun of Britain was/is recommended reading for UK PGA students.
It stated ball shapes as per 'New'/Trackman ones.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Search-Perfect-Swing-J-Cochran/dp/1572431091
BTW. As I've posted in several other threads on this topic, there are 5 ball Flight Laws - and UK/US agree. The 9 /Flight Shapes are what have been shown, by Trackman, to be as per that 1968 research by Cochran and Stobbs. I actually have a copy on loan about 3yards away from me as I post and cn confirm that they say as per Trackman has 'discovered'.
This topic demonstrates a lot about how Marketing and Society works. Remember the Flat Earth Society? And Christopher Columbus? Product endorsements work!
A book first published in 1968 for the Golf Clun of Britain was/is recommended reading for UK PGA students.
It stated ball shapes as per 'New'/Trackman ones.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Search-Perfect-Swing-J-Cochran/dp/1572431091
BTW. As I've posted in several other threads on this topic, there are 5 ball Flight Laws - and UK/US agree. The 9 /Flight Shapes are what have been shown, by Trackman, to be as per that 1968 research by Cochran and Stobbs. I actually have a copy on loan about 3yards away from me as I post and cn confirm that they say as per Trackman has 'discovered'.
This topic demonstrates a lot about how Marketing and Society works. Remember the Flat Earth Society? And Christopher Columbus? Product endorsements work!
bobmac
Major Champion
I learned my golf by watching videos from Nicklaus and Faldo.
As a 10 year old, understandably, I believed them. So when the PGA taught me the new laws, I did question them. But of course they were right.
For anyone who isn't sure, this was the old teaching.
The red line shows where we thought the ball started
We now know that the ball actually starts nearer the club face direction rather than the swing path as shown by the red line.
wull
Tour Rookie
the last pic bob doesn't add up.......
i thought the ball was to start where the clubface starts?you're pic clearly shows the ball starting to left of where the clubface is aiming.........
i have heard numbers being used before that suggest it does start left of where the clubface is aiming but it is only just inside the line of where the clubface is aiming.
i thought the ball was to start where the clubface starts?you're pic clearly shows the ball starting to left of where the clubface is aiming.........
i have heard numbers being used before that suggest it does start left of where the clubface is aiming but it is only just inside the line of where the clubface is aiming.
