Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

[SocketRocket]

So because someone coming from a poor country that automatically means they have no skills or abilities to be able to gain employment and earn themselves funds to build a home for themselves ?!

I'm not suggesting anything - my posts are quite clear

No their not! People coming from a poor country or as a refugee will have no money to buy property or even rent it. We will need to supply them a home so they have a chance of getting on their feet. But according to your heartless suggestion they should not come if they expect to be given one.

Shame on you Phil!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No their not! People coming from a poor country or as a refugee will have no money to buy property or even rent it. We will need to supply them a home so they have a chance of getting on their feet. But according to your heartless suggestion they should not come if they expect to be given one.

Shame on you Phil!

Shame on me ? Sorry can't see why there would be any shame on me unless someone is attempting to twist anything I have said to suit an agenda.

I'll highlight this post again for you to see clearly where my opinion and it's certainly not of the opinion you are trying to suggest I have

So is there a breakdown ? Every time someone asks you to provide some facts to back up the statements you ignore the requests - why is that ?

You seem to have ignored the crux of what I was asking you ?

I don't believe there to be a problem so why would I need to come up with ideas ?

I see no reason why we can't offer funding to help refugees and places within the country for them - which is exactly what we appear to be doing

I don't see a reason for us to sacrifice other immigrants who arrive to the country with the aim to contribute and build a life here

You see I'm in the opinion that no one owns the land we walk on and people should be able to build a life and a home where they wish

 

[SocketRocket]

Shame on me ? Sorry can't see why there would be any shame on me unless someone is attempting to twist anything I have said to suit an agenda.

Twisting, there's been no twisting Phil. Are you now backtracking on your statements or do you still believe that anyone can come here as long as they are not expecting to be given a home? That is what you said, is it not?

It would be awful if someone tried to twist what someone else said to suit an agenda!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Twisting, there's been no twisting Phil. Are you now backtracking on your statements or do you still believe that anyone can come here as long as they are not expecting to be given a home? That is what you said, is it not?

It would be awful if someone tried to twist what someone else said to suit an agenda!

Can you show me which post that says what you are suggesting please

 

[SocketRocket]

Can you show me which post that says what you are suggesting please

:rofl: I think I have done that already.

maybe post 296 will ring a bell!

 

[The Green Fairy]

Jesus Christ.

Skepticism is where lies stop and the truth begins.

Further details about the 'poor' father of the dead child, who I said was culpable of putting his family in harms way, are emerging from newsfeeds.
It appears he was not fleeing from persecution but had been living in Turkey since 2012. Had already applied for asylum in Canada and been refused.
Just wanted a 'better' life and new teeth.

Risked and lost his family - and we are being made to feel guilty by the media using this imagery?

I stand by my post which condemned him.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

:rofl: I think I have done that already.

No you haven't

Please point out to me where is it what I have said exactly what you suggest

As I said in my post where I highlighted

Immigrants are more than welcome to arrive into the country as they do currently providing they contribute to the country and are able to build their home for themselves

Refugees ( there is a difference isn't there ) - I see no reason why we can't offer financial aid to areas and offer a roof over their heads

You have been so busy trying to be smart and clever and trying to out wit me that you fail to read what I posted even when I highlighted the post to

There is a clear difference between an immigrant and a refugee - and how the country treats them

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Skepticism is where lies stop and the truth begins.

Further details about the 'poor' father of the dead child, who I said was culpable of putting his family in harms way, are emerging from newsfeeds.
It appears he was not fleeing from persecution but had been living in Turkey since 2012. Had already applied for asylum in Canada and been refused.
Just wanted a 'better' life and new teeth.

Risked and lost his family - and we are being made to feel guilty by the media using this imagery?

I stand by my post which condemned him.

Yes that's exactly the attitude to display - all heart and sympathy after a child has passed away - looking to condemn his family for wanting a better life ( I'll ignore the cheap shot about the better teeth because I don't expect a mature adult can seriously come out with such a comment )

 

[SocketRocket]

No you haven't

Please point out to me where is it what I have said exactly what you suggest

As I said in my post where I highlighted

Immigrants are more than welcome to arrive into the country as they do currently providing they contribute to the country and are able to build their home for themselves

Refugees ( there is a difference isn't there ) - I see no reason why we can't offer financial aid to areas and offer a roof over their heads

You have been so busy trying to be smart and clever and trying to out wit me that you fail to read what I posted even when I highlighted the post to

There is a clear difference between an immigrant and a refugee - and how the country treats them

Does "Anyone' mean Anyone or do you have a different interpretation for the word that excludes Refugees. Come on now, you are quick enough to pick up on the semantics of what anyone else posts so maybe you should not make such schoolboy errors yourself.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Does "Anyone' mean Anyone or do you have a different interpretation for the word that excludes Refugees. Come on now, you are quick enough to pick up on the semantics of what anyone else posts so maybe you should not make such schoolboy errors yourself.

You used the word "anyone"

I believe I suggested twice that we as a country should help the refugees - you are happy to read back through my posts if you so wish

 

[SocketRocket]

You used the word "anyone"

I believe I suggested twice that we as a country should help the refugees - you are happy to read back through my posts if you so wish

You actually used the words "No One" Stop backtracking and admit you made a mistake. Everyone does it sometimes including you.

 

[c1973]

Ah! I get it. Against high levels of immigration = Alf Garnett (bigoted idiot) For high levels of immigration = Else Garnet (Sensible person)

No offence intended. 'Twas just some light hearted fun.

 

[Beezerk]

Yes that's exactly the attitude to display - all heart and sympathy after a child has passed away - looking to condemn his family for wanting a better life ( I'll ignore the cheap shot about the better teeth because I don't expect a mature adult can seriously come out with such a comment )

I think the point of his post was to highlight that he (and more than likely many others) wasn't fleeing a warzone at all. They were perfectly safe in Turkey but see the golden ticket of free food, health care, housing etc in more advanced countries. Nowt wrong with immigrating to get a job and make a living to better yourself but I just can't accept the majority of refugees have this in mind.

 

[londonlewis]

Look up the numbers yourself if you want them.

The cap will be the amount of additional Syrian refugees we take in. Don't you read posts?

Come on then. Tell me exactly how we should deal with the situation, how many immigrants we should have in the UK annually. You like to comment on other people posts but seem very weak on ideas. Come on surprise me with your insight!

I can't believe anyone takes you seriously. You are the man that doesn't provide any facts ever or refutes facts that are presented to you and yet you claim others are weak on ideas.

You are weak on arguments, ideas and opinions. Pretty much everything you say is so poorly formed and so generically thrown out there. It's like you come from a comedy scetch, some old man who keeps saying 'things were better in my day...'

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

David Cameron - man of principle. Go on then Davie boy. About face. That's better. Now tell us that this is what you were going to do all along. Naw? Never mind. It's a start.

 

[londonlewis]

Skepticism is where lies stop and the truth begins.

Further details about the 'poor' father of the dead child, who I said was culpable of putting his family in harms way, are emerging from newsfeeds.
It appears he was not fleeing from persecution but had been living in Turkey since 2012. Had already applied for asylum in Canada and been refused.
Just wanted a 'better' life and new teeth.

Risked and lost his family - and we are being made to feel guilty by the media using this imagery?

I stand by my post which condemned him.

well the news never lies so it must be true.

just so I understand green fairy, you basically couldn't care less about that family as you have shared some pretty horrendous views on how you feel and why you feel it.
what about the boy though? The boy that died and was washed up on the beach. What did he do? Or was he guilty by association?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Did you spot the colour of Cameron's face when he made the speech about the UK accepting refugees.

You would have thought Tory HQ would have better training methods to stop their leader from blushing bright red when he is 'economical with the truth'.
BP looked like it was going through the roof, he needs to watch his health.

 

[Foxholer]

Ob
There is an amazing difference between term time and school holiday time, so I suspect most of the traffic is generated by the school run! I know that most of the schools in the area are bulging at the seams with children, a lot of whom seem to be the offsprings of recent immigrants.

Certainly school run clogs up the local road network. There would also be a significant reduction during school holidays because that is the period when many adults are also on holiday/leave too!

I'm a bit concerned as to how you measure ratio of 'offspring of recent immigrants'! Do you hang around schools and observe the kids like the 'strange men' we were warned about?

 

[The Green Fairy]

well the news never lies so it must be true.

just so I understand green fairy, you basically couldn't care less about that family as you have shared some pretty horrendous views on how you feel and why you feel it.
what about the boy though? The boy that died and was washed up on the beach. What did he do? Or was he guilty by association?

At least you acknowledged it, just depends which news you prefer. Best sometimes though for the whole story to come out.

Of course the child is worthy of sadness but there are many, many others who are not paraded in the 'news' to influence opinion.

There is a war and wars have factions, within those factions there are good people. Or do we determine that some are baddies and some are goodies? Are all refugees 'goodies' by dint of the fact that they are fleeing?

A lot of risk in getting it wrong.

Incidentally, I posted in this thread to give an opinion. That opinion could have been challenged, as to my thinking behind it. Instead, the high and mighty made comment about me, as a person, without any further question, immediately deciding I was a baddy.

Makes you wonder how wars ever start

 

[delc]

Immigrants with cars, wow they must be doing well.

I find it 'interesting' listening to reporters saying either immigrants, migrants or refugees.
I swear one used all three in a two minute report about the same group.

I am talking about the mainly economic migrants who arrived during the period of the last New Labour Government. Most of them have done well enough to own cars and 'The State' pays them to have children!