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Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

SocketRocket said:
What have you proved exactly and who are the Royal 'We'

If you take Belgium and Holland into account then the Uk is third but I made it quite clear I was not talking about them and comparing us to the larger countries like France, Germany, Italy and Spain. If you want to dismiss what I have said then so be it but it says little for the Royal 'We'

Another point is that England is by far the highest populated country per sq km in Europe and 5th in the World. If you remove Scotland which has a large land mass and small population then the situation becomes very different.
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The Royal 'we' means 'I'. Are you asking who I am?

Ok so you only want to compare against 4 other countries.

country density (/km2)
UK 255
Germany 229
France 114
Spain 91

An extra 160/140/25 people over the space of a square kilometre is hardly a lot is it. Honestly.
It hardly makes it sound like we are falling over each other.

especially when you compare it to other countries (I don't really understand why you wouldn't include other countries outside the EU when trying to argue that we are overcrowded)

Bangladesh (population size 142m), density 964.
south Korea (population size 48m), density 487
India (population size 1.2 billion), density 368

So how come these three countries with populations either similar or significantly larger than ours are able to cope with higher and significantly higher population densities? But you suggest that we can't.
 
delc said:
The roads in my area (outskirts of London) have become more and more congested over the last few years, particularly at school run times. I assume that a fair proportion of the children going to these schools are the kids of the immigrants that New Labour allowed to flood into the country almost without checks a few years ago! The M25 is now often completely stationary in the rush hours. Never even gets mentioned on the radio since the BBC moved to Manchester, as they now only seem concerned about the Motorways up in that part of the country! Or are traffic jams just normal on the M25 and not considered worth mentioning? It is clear that our road network down south is not coping with the increasing population. The same goes for tubes, buses and trains in and around London! :angry:
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You know when Farage was late for something or the other before the last election and he then blamed it on the immigrants for clogging up the M4, and just about everyone thought he was a swivel eyed loon.

Just saying..
 
Hacker Khan said:
You know when Farage was late for something or the other before the last election and he then blamed it on the immigrants for clogging up the M4, and just about everyone thought he was a swivel eyed loon.

Just saying..
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Nigel Farage is a swivel eyed loon! I might also mention that it takes about 2 weeks to get an appointment with an NHS doctor or dentist around here. Usually by then you have either died or got better! Many golf courses in the area, particularly municipal ones, are under threat of redevelopment for housing developments to house all these extra people! :(
 
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c1973 said:
I think we know that.

I assumed the joke was in the 'what have they done for us' comparison............ach, never mind. :)
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At least the Romans had to fight their way into Britain. They weren't just invited to walk in, as was the case for immigrants under New Labour! :)
 
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delc said:
At least the Romans had to fight their way into Britain. They weren't just invited to walk in, as was the case for immigrants under New Labour! :)
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Why are you constantly blaming new labour ? Has immigration stopped since Cameron arrived to power - was immigration around way before Blair arrived in power ?
 
delc said:
At least the Romans had to fight their way into Britain. They weren't just invited to walk in, as was the case for immigrants under New Labour! :)
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Well, maybe they fought their way into England and Wales.........but we kicked their arse, hence the wall. ;)
 
delc said:
The roads in my area (outskirts of London) have become more and more congested over the last few years, particularly at school run times. I assume that a fair proportion of the children going to these schools are the kids of the immigrants that New Labour allowed to flood into the country almost without checks a few years ago! The M25 is now often completely stationary in the rush hours. Never even gets mentioned on the radio since the BBC moved to Manchester, as they now only seem concerned about the Motorways up in that part of the country! Or are traffic jams just normal on the M25 and not considered worth mentioning? It is clear that our road network down south is not coping with the increasing population. The same goes for tubes, buses and trains in and around London! :angry:
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Road congestion has only a miniscule (if any) relationship with immigration and is almost entirely related to commuter's (including the school run) choices about how and where they get about. The M25 gridlock is a classic demonstration! There's actually significantly more throughput now than there was some years ago, but the congestion is exactly the same - because that's how much the users are prepared to tolerate!!
 
londonlewis said:
The Royal 'we' means 'I'. Are you asking who I am?

Ok so you only want to compare against 4 other countries.

country density (/km2)
UK 255
Germany 229
France 114
Spain 91

An extra 160/140/25 people over the space of a square kilometre is hardly a lot is it. Honestly.
It hardly makes it sound like we are falling over each other.

especially when you compare it to other countries (I don't really understand why you wouldn't include other countries outside the EU when trying to argue that we are overcrowded)

Bangladesh (population size 142m), density 964.
south Korea (population size 48m), density 487
India (population size 1.2 billion), density 368

So how come these three countries with populations either similar or significantly larger than ours are able to cope with higher and significantly higher population densities? But you suggest that we can't.
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You said 'We' have answered that. I just wondered who 'We' were.

Compare England and you will see a different picture.
 
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Foxholer said:
Road congestion has only a miniscule (if any) relationship with immigration and is almost entirely related to commuter's (including the school run) choices about how and where they get about. The M25 gridlock is a classic demonstration! There's actually significantly more throughput now than there was some years ago, but the congestion is exactly the same - because that's how much the users are prepared to tolerate!!
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There is an amazing difference between term time and school holiday time, so I suspect most of the traffic is generated by the school run! I know that most of the schools in the area are bulging at the seams with children, a lot of whom seem to be the offsprings of recent immigrants.
 
delc said:
Ob
There is an amazing difference between term time and school holiday time, so I suspect most of the traffic is generated by the school run! I know that most of the schools in the area are bulging at the seams with children, a lot of whom seem to be the offsprings of recent immigrants.
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I live in what was once statistically the 'whitest most home grown' borough in England. It's not any more, but like most elderly golfers, I hark back to the 1950s and wish it still was. And I hate to break it to you but there is a vast difference between traffic in term time and holiday time. Despite the fact that I am pretty sure a lot of it is not caused by recent immigrants.
 
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