Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

[Doon frae Troon]

I was rejecting The Green Fairy's help. Now and forever.

The OP is SocketRocket. Based on his ability to change the subject, I am not sure if he knows what his intentions were.

Thanks, got that now.
Is he a one man army then? He has not chosen a good name if he is.

 

[londonlewis]

Actually, it is not, in times of crisis. Your knowledge is likewise.

Thank you.

 

[Tashyboy]

And people say the younger generation believe themselves to be entitled.

Entitled to what exactly. I am entitled to nothing. You get out what you put in that's what I was taught from my parents and grandparents. And it's what I teach my kids, and grand kids. People who I taught through St Johns ambulance brigade in my own free time I taught them the same.It was something that you were taught when you started working a mile and a half underground two days after you finished a paper round to earn a few quid coz yer mum could only give you two Bob.

I am entitled to nothing.

Except an opinion, and that opinion tells me that your beloved European Union who nobody elected is shambolic when it has come to handling this crisis. Leaving country's to individually "go it alone", when trying to solve this crisis

You may wanna try and stay on topic instead of trying to score brownie points.

 

[londonlewis]

Entitled to what exactly. I am entitled to nothing. You get out what you put in that's what I was taught from my parents and grandparents. And it's what I teach my kids, and grand kids. People who I taught through St Johns ambulance brigade in my own free time I taught them the same.It was something that you were taught when you started working a mile and a half underground two days after you finished a paper round to earn a few quid coz yer mum could only give you two Bob.

I am entitled to nothing.

Except an opinion, and that opinion tells me that your beloved European Union who nobody elected is shambolic when it has come to handling this crisis. Leaving country's to individually "go it alone", when trying to solve this crisis

You may wanna try and stay on topic instead of trying to score brownie points.

It's the way you keep banging on about 'what's the EU ever done for me?' ... like they owe you something.

Who's got brownies?

 

[vkurup]

Do you honestly believe that if we were out of the EU we would not be able to travel or do business abroad. Do you believe that not being in the EU means we would have no growth in the economy! Do you really believe that?

No... I dont think exiting the EU is the end of the world for us. We existed before and will exist after an exit. However, it becomes a little harder/inconvenient for us to exist in isolation.

The impact on people will be minimal and at worst we will need to have visa/passports to travel or work in Europe.. You can argue that we already have to carry passports and we could do a non-visa arrangement.

The impact on Business is a bit more complicated. How future trading will be affected is unknown. A lot of global companies operating out of London base themselves in London as they can be in an English speaking, democratic country AND can access the European markets freely. It may become more difficult for this if we are out of the market. Companies can move HQs out to Lux, Belgium etc. Some sectors may be better off (e.g. fisheries, agriculture) while others will be badly hit (Financial sectors). The reality is that no one really knows what will happen. It is a case of known devil v/s unknown angel.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It's the way you keep banging on about 'what's the EU ever done for me?' ... like they owe you something.

Who's got brownies?

..and we mustn't forget that with the EU what they fund in the UK that I don't use or get any benefit from (or indeed know anything about) enables the UK gov to do stuff that I do use and get benefit from.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No... I dont think exiting the EU is the end of the world for us. We existed before and will exist after an exit. However, it becomes a little harder/inconvenient for us to exist in isolation.

The impact on people will be minimal and at worst we will need to have visa/passports to travel or work in Europe.. You can argue that we already have to carry passports and we could do a non-visa arrangement.

The impact on Business is a bit more complicated. How future trading will be affected is unknown. A lot of global companies operating out of London base themselves in London as they can be in an English speaking, democratic country AND can access the European markets freely. It may become more difficult for this if we are out of the market. Companies can move HQs out to Lux, Belgium etc. Some sectors may be better off (e.g. fisheries, agriculture) while others will be badly hit (Financial sectors). The reality is that no one really knows what will happen. It is a case of known devil v/s unknown angel.

It's the Scottish independence debate all over again. No-one can actually prove anything about what might happen - IN or OUT. Of course with the Scottish YES/NO - the successful NO campaign is now pointing to the current price of oil as evidence that supports staying IN and contention that Scotland would be much the worse for leaving. So for LEAVE to mirror YES arguments might be a little dangerous.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

It's the way you keep banging on about 'what's the EU ever done for me?'

So please tell me then, what has the EU provided for me that I wouldn't have had if we had never joined? How much better off am I as a result?

 

[Hacker Khan]

So please tell me then, what has the EU provided for me that I wouldn't have had if we had never joined? How much better off am I as a result?

The aqueduct? Sanitation, roads, irrigation, medicine, education, health?

 

[Tashyboy]

It's the way you keep banging on about 'what's the EU ever done for me?' ... like they owe you something.

Who's got brownies?

Trying to simplify a humanitarian tragedy, these people from war torn countries are trying to get to Europe. For me that makes it an EU problem to deal with.

What you now have is Hungary falling out with Germany because Germany said it will take them. Fair enough to the Germans. But Germany signed up to a treaty as we all did, which says you claim Asylum (for the want of a better word in the first EU country you get to), but now Germany has seen fit to change its mind. How's that work.
For the record I do not have an issue with any country taking in refugees inc the UK.
The UK said it is taking no more refugees just a few days ago. But it took a harrowing picture for David Cameron to " change his mind " and allow refugees to come to this country. Why ? This crisis has been going on for more than a couple of years. The scenes in which we saw yesterday have been happening in Turkey,Italy and Greece for the last couple of years. If it happened on Brighton or Skegness beach would it be any more harrowing.
I said a couple of days ago in this blog Britain would give a knee jerk reaction, and it has. How is taking in " a few thousand", helping to solve a long term crisis.
Whether we are the sixth richest country in the world, have the most populated country in the EU or not. The EU should have every country in the EU around the table and get some kind of action in place to help sort out this humanitarian crisis. We may/ will not all agree with what is decided but at least something will be done.

PS, the EU don't owe me didly squat, and I am not a great lover of it. But and its a massive but, if it can help solve this crisis I may well change my mind and start to feel the EU love.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The aqueduct? Sanitation, roads, irrigation, medicine, education, health?

I've seen that film!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So please tell me then, what has the EU provided for me that I wouldn't have had if we had never joined? How much better off am I as a result?

A lot of development work in the Highlands and Islands such as road improvements, bridges, businesses were EU grant funded. Stuff that Westminster would never have considered.
Farming is massively EU funded, fishing we would probably be better of out of it, but the main Scottish markets are in Europe.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

A lot of development work in the Highlands and Islands such as road improvements, bridges, businesses were EU grant funded. Stuff that Westminster would never have considered.
Farming is massively EU funded, fishing we would probably be better of out of it, but the main Scottish markets are in Europe.

But the fact remains that for it's entire lifetime, the UK has been a nett contributor to the EU so how can anyone say we wouldn't have had these things anyway if we'd stayed out of Europe? We would have had the money to spend on projects here rather than in Ireland, Spain, Portugal etc.

 

[delc]

Are the numbers acceptable? Yes, I think they are. We are living in a growing economy with a sound infrastructure.
The numbers suggest that 270,000 Brits emigrated. Surely we can't get upset with people coming here, if our populous are doing the same thing.

Can we supply suitable public services if this trend continues or increase? We haven't had an issue with providing suitable public services with an increasing population previously, so why would it suddenly become a problem now?

The economy is expected to grow, so that will help us.
Unemployment is at a low level, which is a positive.

Housing shortages could be a pretty big issue.

I am pretty confident that Britain will be ok.

The roads in my area (outskirts of London) have become more and more congested over the last few years, particularly at school run times. I assume that a fair proportion of the children going to these schools are the kids of the immigrants that New Labour allowed to flood into the country almost without checks a few years ago! The M25 is now often completely stationary in the rush hours. Never even gets mentioned on the radio since the BBC moved to Manchester, as they now only seem concerned about the Motorways up in that part of the country! Or are traffic jams just normal on the M25 and not considered worth mentioning? It is clear that our road network down south is not coping with the increasing population. The same goes for tubes, buses and trains in and around London! :angry:

 

[SocketRocket]

Hahahahah, you're hilarious.



you keep banging on about the UK being the most densely populated major country, when it isn't and we've proved it.

How about this. At 256 people per square km, the UK is the most densely populated major country in the EU with a population size between 60-70 million and of countries beginning with a U and ending in K.

we will all agree with you then.

What have you proved exactly and who are the Royal 'We'

If you take Belgium and Holland into account then the Uk is third but I made it quite clear I was not talking about them and comparing us to the larger countries like France, Germany, Italy and Spain. If you want to dismiss what I have said then so be it but it says little for the Royal 'We'

Another point is that England is by far the highest populated country per sq km in Europe and 5th in the World. If you remove Scotland which has a large land mass and small population then the situation becomes very different.

 

[FairwayDodger]

But the fact remains that for it's entire lifetime, the UK has been a nett contributor to the EU so how can anyone say we wouldn't have had these things anyway if we'd stayed out of Europe? We would have had the money to spend on projects here rather than in Ireland, Spain, Portugal etc.

For me the main benefits of EU membership have been more on the social side; human rights, equality, employment rights etc. The UK is a reasonably enlightened place but too often has needed dragged there by the EU.

Of course, there are a number of benefits that are immediately obvious such as cheaper flights and mobile phone charges, or the ability to obtain medical treatment throughout the EU.

I am personally several hundred pounds better off from that one time BA cancelled my flight and I used EU law to obtain compensation. On that subject, next time your flight gets delayed and your airline has to provide you with food and drink you might consider a wee "thanks" to the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

Trying to simplify a humanitarian tragedy, these people from war torn countries are trying to get to Europe. For me that makes it an EU problem to deal with.

What you now have is Hungary falling out with Germany because Germany said it will take them. Fair enough to the Germans. But Germany signed up to a treaty as we all did, which says you claim Asylum (for the want of a better word in the first EU country you get to), but now Germany has seen fit to change its mind. How's that work.
For the record I do not have an issue with any country taking in refugees inc the UK.
The UK said it is taking no more refugees just a few days ago. But it took a harrowing picture for David Cameron to " change his mind " and allow refugees to come to this country. Why ? This crisis has been going on for more than a couple of years. The scenes in which we saw yesterday have been happening in Turkey,Italy and Greece for the last couple of years. If it happened on Brighton or Skegness beach would it be any more harrowing.
I said a couple of days ago in this blog Britain would give a knee jerk reaction, and it has. How is taking in " a few thousand", helping to solve a long term crisis.
Whether we are the sixth richest country in the world, have the most populated country in the EU or not. The EU should have every country in the EU around the table and get some kind of action in place to help sort out this humanitarian crisis. We may/ will not all agree with what is decided but at least something will be done.

PS, the EU don't owe me didly squat, and I am not a great lover of it. But and its a massive but, if it can help solve this crisis I may well change my mind and start to feel the EU love.

Taking refugees only from the transit camps in the middle east is a good idea. It should help to stop the pull factor in the Med and maybe we wont see so many of these harrowing pictures of drowned people.

 

[SocketRocket]

For me the main benefits of EU membership have been more on the social side; human rights, equality, employment rights etc. The UK is a reasonably enlightened place but too often has needed dragged there by the EU.

Of course, there are a number of benefits that are immediately obvious such as cheaper flights and mobile phone charges, or the ability to obtain medical treatment throughout the EU.

I am personally several hundred pounds better off from that one time BA cancelled my flight and I used EU law to obtain compensation. On that subject, next time your flight gets delayed and your airline has to provide you with food and drink you might consider a wee "thanks" to the EU.

What will I do with all the money they are saving me !

 

[FairwayDodger]

The roads in my area (outskirts of London) have become more and more congested over the last few years, particularly at school run times. I assume that a fair proportion of the children going to these schools are the kids of the immigrants that New Labour allowed to flood into the country almost without checks a few years ago! The M25 is now often completely stationary in the rush hours. Never even gets mentioned on the radio since the BBC moved to Manchester, as they now only seem concerned about the Motorways up in that part of the country! Or are traffic jams just normal on the M25 and not considered worth mentioning? It is clear that our road network down south is not coping with the increasing population. The same goes for tubes, buses and trains in and around London! :angry:

When I was wee, I used to play on the street outside my mum's house. We'd play football, tennis and various ball games. It was a real nuisance when someone had parked a car on the street but relatively unusual. When I visit now it's hard to get parked, cars everywhere. The households of my youth were fortunate enough to own one car but nowadays they now own two, three, four. Playing ball games on that street is impossible now....

Back then I don't recall any immigrants living in the street. Now? Yeah, still none as far as I know.

 

[FairwayDodger]

What will I do with all the money they are saving me !

Donate it to UKIP?