londonlewis
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Ok, just did. He said he made it up. It was all for effect.
Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.
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Ok, just did. He said he made it up. It was all for effect.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Japan
No idea where Vine got the number 6 from but all the stats show it to be false
2 million immigrants in Japan with net immigration at around 300000 over the last couple years
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Ethan
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Note that people born abroad may be British Nationals.
Boris Johnston (New York), Emma Watson (Paris), Bradley Wiggins (Ghent) and many others.
The provision of public services is helped when immigrants are working age wage earners, then they pay tax, probably don't consume much service and help balance the demographic slide towards more retired people than workers. If you want to help public services, get rid of the old people. They are the ones who consume resources.
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Unfortunately he didn't, he got the year year wrong in 2013 Japan granted refugee status to only 6 out of the 3200 applications they recieved and to 11 in 2014.
http://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00107/
alexbrownmp
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absolutely! they have contributed hundreds of thousands of pounds to public services, now they are unable to then we should cast them aside. How do you see that working and can we start with you?
londonlewis
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He did get his facts wrong. I pointed out the mistake he made earlier.
If he is talking about asylum seekers, the figure stated about Japan is correct. But if he is talking about asylum seekers, the figures stated about the UK and Germany are wildly incorrect.
SocketRocket
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Many people immigrating to the Uk are low skilled and poorly educated. many do work but don't earn enough to contribute a surplus to the exchequer after benefits are paid. The people born abroad to British parents are a very small number and are British subjects unless they decide otherwise. But you know this anyway.
Maybe you could start a list of the Old people we should rid ourselves of. You know, the ones that have contributed a lifetime of Income Tax and National Insurance and taken nothing for most of their lives. Yes, thats a great idea.
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Do you have any links to how many immigrants are low skilled/paying tax/not working?
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Im sure you are going to provide all the links to the facts to back up the poor educated and low skilled statement
Fyldewhite
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I really think Ethan's comment was somewhat tongue in cheek to illustrate that with an ageing population we need more input at the working age end to balance the books, and the birth rate is such that immigration is actually desirable in many respects. Many people moving here are indeed poorly educated and low skilled and yes they will hardly be paying mega amounts of tax. It's a bit more complex though isn't it? They work in low skilled jobs for British businesses, they buy goods from British shops and pay British bus/train fares, buy British services etc etc. These businesses wouldn't be as profitable without their work force, and these businesses contribute a fair bit in corporation tax and provide employment to many British people as well. Probably not great example but just saying I think it's a bit more complicated than working out a tax liability of nil therefore zero contribution.....
Then of course there are also the large numbers that are skilled and contribute plenty in a more tangible way.
londonlewis
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what does this statement really mean?
'Many people' ... how many? this is such a generic statement.
Can you provide any facts to back any of this up?
'Low skilled and poorly educated' ... Can you provide any facts to back this up as well?
'many do work but don't earn enough to contribute a surplus to the exchequer after benefits are paid' ... any facts for this as well?
Everything you have said is just a generic statement on what you believe to be the case, without any hard evidence.
bluewolf
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A great point, and one I have been trying to make for the last 12 months, although not as eloquently as the above.
Crazyface
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If they were highly skilled and intelligent then they would have been able to figure out how to combat the people that are running their country. They aren't, so they are running away. Why should Europe take them in? Do you really want to live in Britain where most can't speak English and wave their own national flag at us????? Well do you?????
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Oh dear
bluewolf
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My grandparents couldn't speak English when they fled Germany after WW2. Maybe they should have been turned away? Plenty tried. My grandmother was physically and mentally abused when travelling from London to Manchester on the train. She was spat at, kicked and shoved. I thought we'd moved on from that. Thanks for educating me.
londonlewis
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Because they are human beings and they need help. Are you heartless?
there's a load of young Brits who can't speak English properly either, should we chuck them out as well?
Whoa! Easy tiger, think of your blood pressure... do you want them to stay where they are and be raped/murdered etc? Think about what would force you out of your home, your home country and to make a perilous journey? It surely wouldn't be kids egging your front door eh?
Fyldewhite
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Hmmmm, so all the exiled Jews in the 30's 40's were just thick then? Hell, I'm proud to be British when I read stuff like this.
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I think there are 2 issues at play... they are connected and have overlaps, but they are different.
1) Can Briton sustain the level of immigration?
2) There current 'influx' while resulting in immigration, is actually a bigger humanitarian crisis that the world needs to address. It is not just a European (or UK) problem, but something that the world needs to do some thing about. Iceland, Sweden etc are taking on more people. The middle east countries are conspicuous by their silence.
Re the first question, Immigration is a constant reality in the world and is a two directional thing. Britons go to Spain while the Spanish want to come here. Free movement of EU national is part of the deal with us being the EU. If you ignore the current Syrian crisis, Immigration from non-EU is very tough. International students pay a lot of money to come and study here and have no access to benefits or jobs here (despite what the Sun claims), while professionals have to earn more than the national average to be part of the system (Nurses >£35K rule).
As the world population grows, people migrate between countries or from rural to urban areas and this is leading to societies changing in composition. There is no running away from it. We could choose to vote ourseleves out of the EU and stop all migration from non-EU. But such an iron curtain will also stop British people, business and the overall economy from the benefits of travel and growth - both of which far outweigh the downside of immigration. </end of brain dump>
1) Can Briton sustain the level of immigration?
2) There current 'influx' while resulting in immigration, is actually a bigger humanitarian crisis that the world needs to address. It is not just a European (or UK) problem, but something that the world needs to do some thing about. Iceland, Sweden etc are taking on more people. The middle east countries are conspicuous by their silence.
Re the first question, Immigration is a constant reality in the world and is a two directional thing. Britons go to Spain while the Spanish want to come here. Free movement of EU national is part of the deal with us being the EU. If you ignore the current Syrian crisis, Immigration from non-EU is very tough. International students pay a lot of money to come and study here and have no access to benefits or jobs here (despite what the Sun claims), while professionals have to earn more than the national average to be part of the system (Nurses >£35K rule).
As the world population grows, people migrate between countries or from rural to urban areas and this is leading to societies changing in composition. There is no running away from it. We could choose to vote ourseleves out of the EU and stop all migration from non-EU. But such an iron curtain will also stop British people, business and the overall economy from the benefits of travel and growth - both of which far outweigh the downside of immigration. </end of brain dump>
jp5
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Despicable comments. Have a word with yourself.
