Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

[bluewolf]

High ideals eh?

Tell me what have you actually done, that makes you more compassionate than me - apart from sitting at a keyboard pontificating.

Well for a start, I gave a damn. But as you asked. I donated some clothes and blankets to a charity called "The Worldwide Tribe" who are based at the camp in Calais. My sister was there recently to assist in handing out these small mercies.

 

[SocketRocket]

Only 10% of England is urban development... 2% for Scotland, 4% for Wales.

UK isn't too 'full' to take in people fleeing persecution.

Once again. We have the highest population per Sq Kl of all the major countries in Europe. France for example has half of ours.

It's silly to suggest we have plenty of farm land and mountain sides where we can build houses, you know that it's not as simple as that. Just look at Ireland where they built housing estates in the middle of nowhere that are still empty 10 years later due to there being no infrastructure or jobs to support them.

Are people here suggesting that we should have unrestricted immigration into the UK? Can anyone that does please explain how this would work?

 

[The Green Fairy]

Well for a start, I gave a damn. But as you asked. I donated some clothes and blankets to a charity called "The Worldwide Tribe" who are based at the camp in Calais. My sister was there recently to assist in handing out these small mercies.

Impressive

 

[jp5]

Once again. We have the highest population per Sq Kl of all the major countries in Europe. France for example has half of ours.

It's silly to suggest we have plenty of farm land and mountain sides where we can build houses, you know that it's not as simple as that. Just look at Ireland where they built housing estates in the middle of nowhere that are still empty 10 years later due to there being no infrastructure or jobs to support them.

Are people here suggesting that we should have unrestricted immigration into the UK? Can anyone that does please explain how this would work?

Did you miss the part where you were disproved on that first fact?

Plenty more housing could be built, but it would likely pop the housing bubble in the south which is why the government are reluctant to.

Not suggesting unrestricted immigration, am suggesting we could house anyone that needs refuge from wars, persecution, etc.

 

[bluewolf]

Impressive

Thanks. I really appreciate the thought. Now, isn't there a litter of kittens somewhere that need putting in a sack and throwing in the canal?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Once again. We have the highest population per Sq Kl of all the major countries in Europe. France for example has half of ours.

It's silly to suggest we have plenty of farm land and mountain sides where we can build houses, you know that it's not as simple as that. Just look at Ireland where they built housing estates in the middle of nowhere that are still empty 10 years later due to there being no infrastructure or jobs to support them.

Are people here suggesting that we should have unrestricted immigration into the UK? Can anyone that does please explain how this would work?

Are Belgium and Holland not counted as major then ?

And the Irish housing issue has no relevance - those houses would be built and lived if the financial crisis hadnt happened and the issues with the Euro

And i dont recall anyone suggesting unrestricted immigration

 

[SocketRocket]

Are Belgium and Holland not counted as major then ?

And the Irish housing issue has no relevance - those houses would be built and lived if the financial crisis hadnt happened and the issues with the Euro

And i dont recall anyone suggesting unrestricted immigration

Belgium and Holland are very small countries. Monaco probably has the highest population per sq kl but thats not apples for apples is it?

If people dont suggest unrestricted then what do they suggest then? I keep hearing people saying we have plenty of room and immigrants make us better off, so should there be a limit or open doors?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So, we take in all these refugees from war torn areas, what happens when those areas are stabilised? They all go back?

 

[SocketRocket]

Did you miss the part where you were disproved on that first fact?

Plenty more housing could be built, but it would likely pop the housing bubble in the south which is why the government are reluctant to.

Not suggesting unrestricted immigration, am suggesting we could house anyone that needs refuge from wars, persecution, etc.

Yes, I must have missed it. So where does the money come from to build all these houses? What about the schools, hospitals, Doctors Surgeries, Water, Gas, Electricity, Sewage treatment and so on and so forth. It cant be ignored.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Belgium and Holland are very small countries. Monaco probably has the highest population per sq kl but thats not apples for apples is it?

If people dont suggest unrestricted then what do they suggest then? I keep hearing people saying we have plenty of room and immigrants make us better off, so should there be a limit or open doors?

You said "major" - so I'll ask again - are Belgium and Holland not "major" countries or are you just adjusting lines after you statements were found to be factually incorrect

No idea on limits - people paid more than me will decide that but I have no issue with our immigration as long as they come to fully partake in being a part of this country and contribute to it

 

[SocketRocket]

You said "major" - so I'll ask again - are Belgium and Holland not "major" countries or are you just adjusting lines after you statements were found to be factually incorrect

No idea on limits - people paid more than me will decide that but I have no issue with our immigration as long as they come to fully partake in being a part of this country and contribute to it

Then I will reply again and hope you can keep up. I reffered to population per sq kl for major countries. Major refers to large countries, you cant compare Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc with small countries like Belgium or the Netherlands in this respect. If you did that then Jersey, Gibraltar, Monaco, Liechtenstein and Malta would be the most densely populated countries.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I reffered to population per sq kl for major countries. Major reefers to large countries, you cant compare Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc with small countries like Belgium or the Netherlands in this respect.

So it's all about size of the country then ? Population or land size ?

Seems it's whatever suits your argument as opposed to facts

Both Holland and Belgium are major countries with Europe

 

[SocketRocket]

So it's all about size of the country then ? Population or land size ?

Seems it's whatever suits your argument as opposed to facts

Both Holland and Belgium are major countries with Europe

Population per Sq Kl

You don't seem capable of following the point and I have tried to make it as simple as possible for you, so not much point in trying further.

 

[The Green Fairy]

Thank god I lived through times, where in the main, unpalatable decisions were not made by bleeding heart 'liberals'.

Sometimes tough options have to be taken and I sincerely believe that if the UK is allowed to be the preferred milk cow for every migrant from each war torn cesspit of vile and violent humanity, then we will get what we deserve.

I can foresee a time when your kids / grandkids will perhaps be having to do the same thing. Though I doubt there will be any reciprocal charitable nation to take them when they are fleeing. It seems very much a one way street.

Shame

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Population per Sq Kl

You don't seem capable of following the point and I have tried to make it as simple as possible for you, so not much point in trying further.

well this was your post

At 256 people per Sq Km we are the highest populated major country in Europe.

Now the issue i have with is your use of the word "major" - there is no real definition or clear boundaries - i count bother Belgium and Holland as major countries in Europe regardless of their size

The Uk has lots of space for further housing an amenities - plenty of space

Now we just need some facts to back up your statements in post 127 - especially Many people immigrating to the Uk are low skilled and poorly educated.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thank god I lived through times, where in the main, unpalatable decisions were not made by bleeding heart 'liberals'.

Sometimes tough options have to be taken and I sincerely believe that if the UK is allowed to be the preferred milk cow for every migrant from each war torn cesspit of vile and violent humanity, then we will get what we deserve.

I can foresee a time when your kids will perhaps be having to do the same thing.

What tough options should be taken ? So far a number of countries within Europe take more immigrants than we do

Should the country let those people in those vile countries rot in their own cesspit ? Or should we show our fellow human beings the compassion they deserve

Im guessing you didnt mind the people immigrating here after WW2 or through the 60.s and 70's ?

 

[SocketRocket]

well this was your post



Now the issue i have with is your use of the word "major" - there is no real definition or clear boundaries - i count bother Belgium and Holland as major countries in Europe regardless of their size

The Uk has lots of space for further housing an amenities - plenty of space

Now we just need some facts to back up your statements in post 127 - especially Many people immigrating to the Uk are low skilled and poorly educated.

The Netherlands and Belgium are small land masses with populations of around 11 and 14 million people. They are not major European populations or land masses. Hopefully you can understand that.

I base my statements on the skills of many immigrants by my experiences. There are many who do low paid manual work and have come from countries with poor educational facilities. They have an effect of pulling down wages for the lower paid as they are prepared to work for anything better than what they could get in their own countries. Of course there are many skilled and professional people coming to the UK but they are not the majority.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Netherlands and Belgium are small land masses with populations of around 11 and 14 million people. They are not major European populations or land masses. Hopefully you can understand that.

I base my statements on the skills of many immigrants by my experiences. There are many who do low paid manual work and have come from countries with poor educational facilities. They have an effect of pulling down wages for the lower paid as they are prepared to work for anything better than what they could get in their own countries. Of course there are many skilled and professional people coming to the UK but they are not the majority.

As I said you didn't mention population or land mass in your original statement and it's just moving the boundaries really

And as for the last paragraph is there facts or figures to provide the basis for such a statement ? Using words like "many" doesn't really quantify actual numbers does it - it's more of a cop out because you can't really provide the factual basis to put numbers to words like "many" and "majority"

 

[SocketRocket]

As I said you didn't mention population or land mass in your original statement and it's just moving the boundaries really

And as for the last paragraph is there facts or figures to provide the basis for such a statement ? Using words like "many" doesn't really quantify actual numbers does it - it's more of a cop out because you can't really provide the factual basis to put numbers to words like "many" and "majority"

I said Population per Sq Kl. You dont seem to be able to grasp that.

I cant be bothered. If I gave supporting data you just say it's biased as you have before. I told you it's based on my own experiences so these are my facts, regarding figures, I don't need them, if you feel my experiences are imaginings then prove it, show me facts and figures than prove my experiences incorrect. I see immigrant labour working in farm fields picking fruit and vegetables, I see them working as shop assistants, I see them as cleaners, working in food production factories, driving taxis, hotel work, bars, supermarkets, cafes, and so on. These are low paid jobs and carried out in the main by people who have come from countries with poor academic standards.

Now, show me how you disprove what I am saying. Or are you accusing me of telling lies?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I said Population per Sq Kl. You dont seem to be able to grasp that.

I cant be bothered. If I gave supporting data you just say it's biased as you have before. I told you it's based on my own experiences so these are my facts, regarding figures, I don't need them, if you feel my experiences are imaginings then prove it, show me facts and figures than prove my experiences incorrect. I see immigrant labour working in farm fields picking fruit and vegetables, I see them working as shop assistants, I see them as cleaners, working in food production factories, driving taxis, hotel work, bars, supermarkets, cafes, and so on. These are low paid jobs and carried out in the main by people who have come from countries with poor academic standards.

Now, show me how you disprove what I am saying. Or are you accusing me of telling lies?

Then provide the statical data to back up these statements that you keep posting as facts - as you say there are around 8 mil immigrants in the UK - so you must have seen a lot of them if you are using your own expirences as facts when using words like many and majority.

I grasp fully that you will stretch any boundary to fit in within obvious clear detest of immigrants - it's a recurring theme with you that has been clear since the first time I read a political thread on here and your clear delight at the policy of UKIP

You keep posting you distaste for immigration but unless I have missed something I don't recall you coming up with a solution to help our fellow human beings