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No place for racism

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HDID Kenny said:
Poor deflection Val resulting in own goal IMHO we could be here all night reflecting on the past, I have already stated that I believe it to be a poor show if it was a simple ones word against another!!
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Not at all Kenny, your man is very quick to post like that about Celtic hence my response. You know me a lot better than that, as I said before, what else could Celtic do, call him a liar and punt him back to his club?
 
Val said:
Not at all Kenny, your man is very quick to post like that about Celtic hence my response. You know me a lot better than that, as I said before, what else could Celtic do, call him a liar and punt him back to his club?
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No probs Martin, I've said my bit, think I'll sit this out now......
 
Val said:
What have the club done wrong? The player said he didn't and they back him, what are they meant to do?

As for whataboutery, I didn't see you post a thread about the East Stirling player racially abused on the park by other players, why? I think we all know why, it wasn't Celtic.

And a bit more recent, what about Rangers for CEO and his racist remarks about his business partner or the mass chanting by the rangers support singing the famine song.

I'd have had more respect for you if you didn't have the better than you attitude. Like I said, let he he is without sin cast the first stone.
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Deflection, plain and simple. :(


I actually wasn't aware of the East Stirling player, poor show if he was.



Oh and I've read plenty of threads on here about Rangers, mostly derogatory in their tone, but this is not about them so please stop trying to turn it into one. You could start a thread if you like, I've chosen to start one about this particular incident and would appreciate if it was kept on track.

They could take the easy safe option and send him back to his club, thus keeping their integrity.
 
c1973, I do tend to like how you post until you talk Rangers and Celtic hence my quick response (rightly or wrongly) where I feel you are very quick on Celtic topics to shout the club down.

I'm going to leave this also, I stand by my thought on what could Celtic do? Clubs will always back their man.
 
Val said:
c1973, I do tend to like how you post until you talk Rangers and Celtic hence my quick response (rightly or wrongly) where I feel you are very quick on Celtic topics to shout the club down.

I'm going to leave this also, I stand by my thought on what could Celtic do? Clubs will always back their man.
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I respect your position on this, although you won't be surprised to hear I disagree with your opinion on how I post on these topics.

Perhaps the nonsense that has been posted on here previously has made me more defensive of my team than I usually am (on here anyway) but this one was a genuine post on a subject I find both interesting and ultimately depressing....racism.
Have a wee look at my posts and you'll see I was getting at the governing bodies also, not just Celtic.......but hey, we all like to have a pop at our rivals, just read some of the comments by some of the Scots on the Rangers threads for proof of that. :thup:

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Now, whilst I agree that clubs will usually back their man, what about the governing bodies? Surely they should be setting a tougher example?
 
Ok mate.

My opinion, racism shouldn't be tolerated at any level whether its players, officials or fans and agree the governing bodies should come down hard but when it's his word against mine then how can you justify a harsh punishment, what if the offended is genuinely lying as may be the case here?
 
I said the same for the Suarez incidents.

If people only use it to beat up a club/player it does not serve the anti-rascism movement in any way. If anything it probably hinders it.

The amount of people who threw mud for the Suarez incident as a way to get at Liverpool was a case in point. Fair enough if these people actively campaign against it all of the time, but the faux-disgust was just used as a stick a lot of the time.

C1973 - I'm not saying you are on this occasion as I've never met you, and generally I enjoy your views on here with regards to football, as you seem very fair-minded.

However, when it comes to football, all sense can go out of the window, and anything to get one over on a rival, is normally taken up with gusto, along with a lot of hypocrisy I find these days, with the mediums of twitter/facebook/talksport etc.
 
Liverbirdie said:
I said the same for the Suarez incidents.

If people only use it to beat up a club/player it does not serve the anti-rascism movement in any way. If anything it probably hinders it.

The amount of people who threw mud for the Suarez incident as a way to get at Liverpool was a case in point. Fair enough if these people actively campaign against it all of the time, but the faux-disgust was just used as a stick a lot of the time.

C1973 - I'm not saying you are on this occasion as I've never met you, and generally I enjoy your views on here with regards to football, as you seem very fair-minded.

However, when it comes to football, all sense can go out of the window, and anything to get one over on a rival, is normally taken up with gusto, along with a lot of hypocrisy I find these days, with the mediums of twitter/facebook/talksport etc.
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trouble is, supporters of said clubs take it as an attack on them and their club. The Suarez threads proved that beyond a doubt.
 
The player has denied it despite the Scottish FA deciding he's guilty. This is a tricky area. I guess only the players involved are the ones who know what was said, in what context. This has been shown by the other incidents in football in the last few years and while players have been found guilty and subsequently punished some have still insisted on their innocence

Clearly racisim has no place on any sports field or any place of work and so the authorities are in a catch 22 in having to be seen to take a tough stance, and rightly so, without always perhaps having full access the actual facts of the matter other than one platers word against anothers with the referee's report to go on if available. It has to be stamped out. I don't think anyone denies that

As for the club standing by a player, then precedents have been set and they will usually do so while being seen to make the usual public statements about not condoning the players actions etc. If the Celtic player does appeal I can't see what mitigating or alternative evidence he can provide that will make the FA change their mind although it may reduce the ban.
 
guest100718 said:
trouble is, supporters of said clubs take it as an attack on them and their club. The Suarez threads proved that beyond a doubt.
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That's because a lot of it was. Most comments on sites such as football 365 and such seemed to be from Man U and Chelsea fans, weirdly enough.

When Rio's "choc-ice" comments and John Terry's came out a lot of them suddenly seemed to disappear.
 
I think what is being lost amidst the various posts is the point that I was trying to make with regard to the hypocrisy of the club. The fact a governing body does not practice what it preaches does not surprise me, particularly up here.

I'm fully aware clubs will usually back their player, but we are talking here about a club and support that have complained and made representation to governing bodies regarding alleged racism directed at them. Surely to maintain any integrity they should by now have sent the lad packing (he has been found guilty by the relevant authority)?

Forget any thoughts about point scoring for a second and take it for what it is. Should a club (a club who stated they have a zero tolerance policy on racism), who deem themselves to be victims of racism, protect one of their players deemed to be guilty of racism by the relevant authority? Should they not be setting an example and sending out a strong message here, given they obviously have very strong feelings on the matter?

This isn't about other clubs or players either btw. If it was my club I wouldn't want the player in a Rangers jersey ever again and I find it sad and difficult to understand that I appear to be the only one that feels this way, a sad reflection on society perhaps? Call someone a black c word in the street and most folk would condemn it, do it on a football field and it appears its a different story. Sad.
 
Liverbirdie said:
That's because a lot of it was. Most comments on sites such as football 365 and such seemed to be from Man U and Chelsea fans, weirdly enough.

When Rio's "choc-ice" comments and John Terry's came out a lot of them suddenly seemed to disappear.
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I dont bother posting in football forums. Too much BS from all fans.
 
Liverbirdie said:
That's because a lot of it was. Most comments on sites such as football 365 and such seemed to be from Man U and Chelsea fans, weirdly enough.

When Rio's "choc-ice" comments and John Terry's came out a lot of them suddenly seemed to disappear.
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Not like a Liverpool fan to play the victim card :whistle:
 
c1973 said:
I think what is being lost amidst the various posts is the point that I was trying to make with regard to the hypocrisy of the club. The fact a governing body does not practice what it preaches does not surprise me, particularly up here.

I'm fully aware clubs will usually back their player, but we are talking here about a club and support that have complained and made representation to governing bodies regarding alleged racism directed at them. Surely to maintain any integrity they should by now have sent the lad packing (he has been found guilty by the relevant authority)?

Forget any thoughts about point scoring for a second and take it for what it is. Should a club (a club who stated they have a zero tolerance policy on racism), who deem themselves to be victims of racism, protect one of their players deemed to be guilty of racism by the relevant authority? Should they not be setting an example and sending out a strong message here, given they obviously have very strong feelings on the matter?

This isn't about other clubs or players either btw. If it was my club I wouldn't want the player in a Rangers jersey ever again and I find it sad and difficult to understand that I appear to be the only one that feels this way, a sad reflection on society perhaps? Call someone a black c word in the street and most folk would condemn it, do it on a football field and it appears its a different story. Sad.
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The club have appealed because they believe what their player is saying, they are backing their man and rightly so, every club would and does. If the appeal is thrown out then you may have a point but we will have to wait and see. Your issue is the club that's doing it, the only thing is you won't admit it.

As for complaining about alleged racism directed to the club, there was no alleged about it, people were tried and found guilty by the courts of it or do you doubt what was directed at the club was racism? Maybe it was just banter eh :rolleyes:

Anyway, I've said all I will on this as I'm not being dragged into petty politics and point scoring.
 
Hopefully the evidence will be released as was the case with Suarez where a hundred page plus report was published. If its just a case of one man's words over another then that sets a dangerous precedent and is open to abuse/misinterpretation.
 
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