Bunkermagnet
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But would you not also be pissed off if your team bosses kept coming over the radio telling you how to race? It was obvious who they wanted to win by the way they kept asking him.
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But would you not also be pissed off if your team bosses kept coming over the radio telling you how to race? It was obvious who they wanted to win by the way they kept asking him.
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Again that doesn't stop him being gracious in defeat - yes be angry at his team bosses but I believe they wanted a 1-2 result and regardless what Hamilton believes - the people that pay his massive wages are the team and they have priorities. That's not Rosbergs fault though - he won the title fair and square and the least Hamilton could have done is show just the smallest amount of graciousness to his teammate
Alex1975
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:thup:
Its as simple as that. Merc need to be very careful they don't over control this stuff. I pay to watch those races and if I think Toto is making it not fun by literally stopping true motor racing it will be a very bad deal!
ITS RACING!! Let them race.
(I know its not really motor racing, its advertising but dressed up as motor racing)
Bunkermagnet
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pokerjoke
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If you watched it you will see that he did,if you did see it then your last statement is completely false.
Alex1975
Tour Winner
I'm a life long Schumacher fan.... those were the golden years Not happy when Hill crashed into him
(Bennetton)larmen
Head Pro
The team bosses want a 1-2 finish, not a 1-4 or even a 1-dnf. They pay, they want to maximise the result.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Thought Hamilton did the right thing in the context of the race and clearly was undone by the reliability of his engine. Strange how one could be faultless all season and one couldn't There has to be something in that somewhere and I think the bosses wanted Rosberg to get his world championship. Hamilton is the best driver out there. It would have been nice if both had acted more maturely throughout the season but there you go. I wonder if there is a push to ease Hamilton out and if so where does he go as the other cars are clearly a way behind at the moment
pokerjoke
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Nothing to add Phil I mean how did you fail to see the embrace and handshake and some nice words
No pictures on 5 live
GeeJay
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I think Lewis missed an opportunity to show himself to be 'the bigger man', but maybe he just doesn't like Rosberg. Sure he's known him a long time and works for the same team, but so what? He did give Nico a 'cuddle' in parc ferme by way of congratulations, but they generally always seem a bit frosty towards each other. They are by no means the first team mates to not get along and won't be the last.
As for yesterday's tactics, any driver in the position Lewis found himself in would have done the same thing and backed his main rival into the pack and hope for a result that resulted in a world championship. Kudos to Rosberg who managed the position well and picked up his first F1 Championship.
Bottom line for me is that world champion he may be, but top flight racing driver Rosberg is not. For me the top four are Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel and (maybe) Alonso.
As for yesterday's tactics, any driver in the position Lewis found himself in would have done the same thing and backed his main rival into the pack and hope for a result that resulted in a world championship. Kudos to Rosberg who managed the position well and picked up his first F1 Championship.
Bottom line for me is that world champion he may be, but top flight racing driver Rosberg is not. For me the top four are Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel and (maybe) Alonso.
Norrin Radd
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moan all you like about Rosberg being the champion ,but it was over 21 races and he led the championship for 17 of the 21 races .so whinger hamilton had a couple of breakdowns ,who cares there was enough races in the season to win the title .
andycap
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spot on
SaintHacker
Journeyman Pro
In fairness to lewis he congratulated Nico in parc ferme, shook hands twice on the podium, and has verbally congratulated him each time he's been interviewed. They don't like each other. It works both ways, Nico pretty much blanked Lewis, to me thats not winning graciously either.
GeeJay
Assistant Pro
I agree.
Also with Lewis doing his best to stuff up Nico's afternoon and season, together with the pit wall essentially telling Lewis to roll over and give the championship to Nico; it's not difficult to imagine that there was a fair bit of tension all round after the race.
Now we have this nonsense about whether there will be sanctions or not for Lewis disobeying team orders. Had they not already won the constructors title, then the team would have a point I guess. But for me when either driver could win the drivers championship, it's wrong for the team to ask a driver to act against their own best interest. Plus the team got a 1-2 anyway, so what do they really have to complain about?
larmen
Head Pro
That one of their drivers was actively trying not to have a 1-2.
People whinge from the rooftops when there's a procession, and now they're whinging when Hamilton tries to make it competitive. The British doing what they do best, build someone up when he's climbing the slippery pole then knock him when he gets to the top.
GeeJay
Assistant Pro
Basic conflict of interest. Even Toto admitted he was torn.
More important for the team to get a 1-2 and than for their drivers fight it out for the drivers championship? Time the team grew up. Anyway we saw a more interesting race than it would have been if the Mercs had scampered away from the field.
JT77
Tour Winner
I heard someone yesterday say " show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser!"
I think Hamilton was within his right to slow it down, it made it more interesting and even though deep down I'm sure he knew nico would win, at least he tried something. Hamilton is a winner, and quite clearly hates to lose, that's not a bad thing in competitive sport.
After the race he was gracious enough in defeat, he congratulated nico, maybe through gritted teeth but still did. Hopefully next season will bring some more teams through, would be great to see some more competition on the grid.
I think Hamilton was within his right to slow it down, it made it more interesting and even though deep down I'm sure he knew nico would win, at least he tried something. Hamilton is a winner, and quite clearly hates to lose, that's not a bad thing in competitive sport.
After the race he was gracious enough in defeat, he congratulated nico, maybe through gritted teeth but still did. Hopefully next season will bring some more teams through, would be great to see some more competition on the grid.
larmen
Head Pro
I remember a few years ago with Hakkinen and Coulthard. Every race, same time trial. Then the Red Bulls more recently. Then the Mercs again. The cars were so dominant, average drivers could win a season if they were in the right car at the right time against another average driver.
Maybe scrap the drivers championship if it is a 2 horse race anyway. It's never the best driver out of 20 that wins, it's the best out of 2, sometimes 4 tops.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
F1, along with cycling to name another, need to decide whether it's primarily a team sport with the individual Championship coming second, or vice versa.
To a relative outsider like me, the Drivers Championship comes first - simples.
But I often hear that it's a team sport first.
So it needs to make up its mind ' it can't be both.
Was it a team sport back in the Fangio years, or when Moss was behind the wheel?
Although Mansell drove for Williams, he was the "Star", the Constructors Championship definitely came second.
Its only in the last few years that the balance seems to have shifted towards the "Team"
So make up your mind F1
If it's a driver's game then let them race.
If it's a team sport have absolute team orders.
To a relative outsider like me, the Drivers Championship comes first - simples.
But I often hear that it's a team sport first.
So it needs to make up its mind ' it can't be both.
Was it a team sport back in the Fangio years, or when Moss was behind the wheel?
Although Mansell drove for Williams, he was the "Star", the Constructors Championship definitely came second.
Its only in the last few years that the balance seems to have shifted towards the "Team"
So make up your mind F1
If it's a driver's game then let them race.
If it's a team sport have absolute team orders.
