Next England manager?

[Hacker Khan]

The problem is more complex than the managers obviously. Fans, media, pundits, coaches, players, agents, money, lack of vision etc etc all contribute to an environment that is counter productive to a successful national side.

This can be contrasted with cricket and rugby in England where the highest priority is the national side and all clubs are compliant and supportive to the shared vision from those that lead the game and set the agenda.

Football is divided and corrupt and run by various cabals with differing levels of incompetence.

Nothing will change. Too many vested interests with their snouts in the trough.


All that said, I think Neil Warnock would do an excellent job at cutting through some of the baggage and would push the players to play for the shirt with positivity.

Hoddle and Southgate would be more of the same. Barely valiant failure.

I agree with virtually all of that. Apart from the Neil Warnock bit. You were doing so well up to that part.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've put my name forward, with my FA Level one coach certificate, I'm more qualified than Woy judging by his team selection and substitution choices. I'll need a back up team though. Any who thinks Hart, Stirling or Sturridge should ever pull on the shirt again need not apply.

Wasn't Sturridge the teams saviour after the Wales game ? Lots of calls for him to start and then when he does start he gets played as a wide man - what do people expect when players are played out of position that badly

 

[Crazyface]

Wasn't Sturridge the teams saviour after the Wales game ? Lots of calls for him to start and then when he does start he gets played as a wide man - what do people expect when players are played out of position that badly

His goal was a lucky one....he was shocking for most of the time he was on the pitch......he wasn't on his own mind.

 

[G.U.R]

After every single tournament we go through this and nothing changes. The PL has too much power and if you ask Club fans what their order of priority is it would be - The PL followed by The CL with International football coming a very distant 3rd. I've heard arguments that we don't have an International identity, that if you look at the Spanish team they play like a mix between Barca and RM, the Germans play like Bayern and the Italians play like Juve, that's because they are the biggest and richest clubs in their respective leagues. Our league doesn't have a dominating team and there is no specific formation played, so players turn up to England training and Vardy and Sturridge are suddenly wide men when they play upfront week in week out for their clubs.

I don't have any answers or magical cure, all I do know is it hasn't changed since '66 and I don't think it's going to change any time soon, so however you appoint is on a hiding to nothing.

 

[Fish]

I don't accept these marginal out of position excuses, if a striker is playing in defence, or visa versa, then fair enough, but if someone is only slightly out left or right rather than being more central, then so what, their professional footballers being paid millions, not 1 trick ponies, they should be able to adapt IMO!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Ok I get it that players were played out of position,but does this stop them from being able to do the basics like a straight forward pass?
A player of Sturrudges quality should be able to play out wide against a team like Iceland with ease.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I don't accept these marginal out of position excuses, if a striker is playing in defence, or visa versa, then fair enough, but if someone is only slightly out left or right rather than being more central, then so what, their professional footballers being paid millions, not 1 trick ponies, they should be able to adapt IMO!

Beat me to it Fish,Spot on 👍🏻

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I don't accept these marginal out of position excuses, if a striker is playing in defence, or visa versa, then fair enough, but if someone is only slightly out left or right rather than being more central, then so what, their professional footballers being paid millions, not 1 trick ponies, they should be able to adapt IMO!

I agree to a certain extent but using sturridge as the example hes predominantly left footed so Hodgson played him on the right He was coming so deep for the ball it was untrue.

That england team didn't get thebasics right against Iceland and my usual opinion is match the team for effort etc and your quality will usually shine through.

The players need to take a long look at themselves and question why they performed like they did but also the manager needs to take responsibility for not managing the game better. He just stood on the side line holding his chins looking clueless.

And Rooney's not a CM neither.

 

[pokerjoke]

Wasn't Sturridge the teams saviour after the Wales game ? Lots of calls for him to start and then when he does start he gets played as a wide man - what do people expect when players are played out of position that badly

No he wasn't the saviour of the team his goal saved us from another poor result against a team we should beat.

Are you saying that Sturridge is a striker and only a striker and should not be played anywhere else because he want perform otherwise.

Sturridge is a very good player and wide right or wide left should suit him.
If your saying its Roys fault for playing him there well imo that's just wrong,im sure Klopp has played him wide on a few occasions so is he wrong too.

Your right and many have said playing people out of the preferred positions can have an effect and has for many players but don't get that mixed up with effort,commitment and pride to play well.

Roy has proved what many of us on here have been saying for donks he was never the right man and him and his assistants have proved that in abundance.
However Roy is not on his own Gary and Ray have just as much to answer for.

However when your given the opportunity to represent your country in any sport you should as an individual give it everything and all the players should look in the mirror and ask themselves if they did that.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

No he wasn't the saviour of the team his goal saved us from another poor result against a team we should beat.

Are you saying that Sturridge is a striker and only a striker and should not be played anywhere else because he want perform otherwise.

Sturridge is a very good player and wide right or wide left should suit him.
If your saying its Roys fault for playing him there well imo that's just wrong,im sure Klopp has played him wide on a few occasions so is he wrong too.

Your right and many have said playing people out of the preferred positions can have an effect and has for many players but don't get that mixed up with effort,commitment and pride to play well.

Roy has proved what STU_C has been saying for donks he was never the right man and him and his assistants have proved that in abundance.
However Roy is not on his own Gary and Ray have just as much to answer for.

However when your given the opportunity to represent your country in any sport you should as an individual give it everything and all the players should look in the mirror and ask themselves if they did that.

I can't remember sturridge playing out wide expecting to be the wide outlet under klopp, though I'll take your word for it. Sturridge does his damage as A striker, hes too greedy to play as a winger.

The last time the England manager picked a team where everybody's position was natural was probably Terry Venables in '96


You say Neville has a lot to answer for, I'd be questioning the person who thought it was right to employ a very good tv pundit with very little coaching experience to coach the England squad.

I'd say the same if it was Gerrard or Carragher as well!!

 

[Crazyface]

D'ya know what, I thought the passion was there and so the effort, it's just the ability of the team that was the left down. The ability of every single outfield player to control the ball dead when receiving a pass from a team mate was astoundingly abysmal.

 

[User62651]

D'ya know what, I thought the passion was there and so the effort, it's just the ability of the team that was the left down. The ability of every single outfield player to control the ball dead when receiving a pass from a team mate was astoundingly abysmal.

Agree but why do they do it in an England shirt but not for their clubs? Seems like handling pressure, confidence and self belief are the main issues, spreads like a virus through the team, except young Rashford maybe.

 

[User62651]

If Iceland go on and win this thing, does that turn all the negativity on its head - 'we lost to the champions by only 1 goal so we're actually pretty good' type thinking??

 

[freddielong]

I don't accept these marginal out of position excuses, if a striker is playing in defence, or visa versa, then fair enough, but if someone is only slightly out left or right rather than being more central, then so what, their professional footballers being paid millions, not 1 trick ponies, they should be able to adapt IMO!

I totally agree if you are playing on the right side of a front 3 you are not playing right wing, the whole point of a 433 is the flexibility it gives you as opposed to the more rigid 442.

 

[pokerjoke]

I can't remember sturridge playing out wide expecting to be the wide outlet under klopp, though I'll take your word for it. Sturridge does his damage as A striker, hes too greedy to play as a winger.

The last time the England manager picked a team where everybody's position was natural was probably Terry Venables in '96


You say Neville has a lot to answer for, I'd be questioning the person who thought it was right to employ a very good tv pundit with very little coaching experience to coach the England squad.

I'd say the same if it was Gerrard or Carragher as well!!

I agree Stu a lot of questions need to be asked from the people making these decisions who to employ.
Its no different this morning with Southgate the overwhelming favourite for the job,i for one don't see him as strong enough for the job,we need someone who can make tough decisions especially if it means dropping the likes of Hart or calling time on Rooneys England career.

Sturridge is not being asked to be a winger though Stu as you said previously he was coming too deep but my retort would be Silva and Mata play this role to good effect albeit for their clubs.

 

[NWJocko]

I don't accept these marginal out of position excuses, if a striker is playing in defence, or visa versa, then fair enough, but if someone is only slightly out left or right rather than being more central, then so what, their professional footballers being paid millions, not 1 trick ponies, they should be able to adapt IMO!

Pretty sure Spain won the last Euro's with Fabregas playing up front.

Gotze played there for Germany in this tournament so if Loew was chased for the England job would he be criticised also?

A striker playing from the right/left (but still attacking) shouldn't make much difference. Sturridge was wide against Wales when he came on and scored. If they are being asked to play as an out and out winger then maybe slightly different but not the way they were set up.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I agree Stu a lot of questions need to be asked from the people making these decisions who to employ.
Its no different this morning with Southgate the overwhelming favourite for the job,i for one don't see him as strong enough for the job,we need someone who can make tough decisions especially if it means dropping the likes of Hart or calling time on Rooneys England career.

Sturridge is not being asked to be a winger though Stu as you said previously he was coming too deep but my retort would be Silva and Mata play this role to good effect albeit for their clubs.

Mata and Silva are complete different players compared to Sturridge. Maya is nowhere as effective on the flanks as he is in behind the striker.

Listening to Hodgson before the game he said " Iceland play very compact and clog the midfield so we need Width to try and combat it" along those lines.

That didn't sound to me as though he wanted him to drift out wide then play his normal game. For me he was trying to play a system he didn't have players for.

Watching the game he picked Sterling and sturridge imo to play wide and they pretty much stayed out there.

Certain players can adapt, I doubt Kane could've played were sturridge did and done any better.

This is where playing square pegs in round holes comes to bite you in the back side.

Anyway this thread is going slightly off topic.

Big Sam or "Curbs" for England

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Pretty sure Spain won the last Euro's with Fabregas playing up front.

Gotze played there for Germany in this tournament so if Loew was chased for the England job would he be criticised also?

A striker playing from the right/left (but still attacking) shouldn't make much difference. Sturridge was wide against Wales when he came on and scored. If they are being asked to play as an out and out winger then maybe slightly different but not the way they were set up.

Sturridge was imo expected to give them the width, maybe not an out an out winger but never the less it wasnt his best or preferred position. Even after 30mins when it was evident it wasn't working, he didn't change it tactically, he just kept banging on and on.

 

[Fish]

Listening to Hodgson before the game he said " Iceland play very compact and clog the midfield so we need Width to try and combat it" along those lines.

That didn't sound to me as though he wanted him to drift out wide then play his normal game. For me he was trying to play a system he didn't have players for.

Lallana?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Lallana?

I'm not too sure he's a natural wide man, he tends to drift in a hell of a lot. He might've been a better option but I think the likes Townsend would've been perfect to play that system.

There's not many out there that get chalk on thier boots to coin a phrase.