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Next England manager?

Beezerk said:
First few minutes of the Iceland game summed up Sturridge perfectly for me. Cut inside to a dangerous position on the edge of the box with 2 or 3 other players making good runs. Instead of setting up a team mate with a neat ball into the box he elected to smash a shot into the £20 seats. Utter waste of a great opportunity which you have to be savvy enough to pounce on at that standard.
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So he creates himself the chance - takes it but it doesn't come off then gets slated ? Remind me what the other English strikers did that night or is it just Sturridge at the heart of criticism. Kane was beyond shocking in everything he did - can anything think of anything he did of note ? Vardy scored in the Wales match but then also fluffed his lines against Slovakia when one on one

It's that selfishness that is the make up of a striker - creates chances and takes them , some times they come off ( the goal in the Europa Leage Final for example ) and sometimes they don't.

His record in front of goal is up there with any of them with the only thing that has held him back is his injury record - 43 goals in 69 games in the Prem since moving to Liverpool

The only thing that stops him being amongst the best in Europe IMO is the lack of extended runs of matches because of his injuries.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
or is it just Sturridge at the heart of criticism.
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Really Phil?? Have you not read all the posts slating Rooney,Kane,Alli,Hart,Hodgeson.....?

Even the match going Liverpool fans on here have criticised Sturridge.

His goal record is excellent & he is class when fit,but don't try & make him out to be some kind of victim here.
Every England player as been slated & rightly so 👍🏻👍🏻.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Really Phil?? Have you not read all the posts slating Rooney,Kane,Alli,Hart,Hodgeson.....?

Even the match going Liverpool fans on here have criticised Sturridge.

His goal record is excellent & he is class when fit,but don't try & make him out to be some kind of victim here.
Every England player as been slated & rightly so .
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With the exception of Rashford, who only played a bit part but threw himself at it when given the opportunity and should have been given more game time......IMO :smirk:
 
Pin-seeker said:
Really Phil?? Have you not read all the posts slating Rooney,Kane,Alli,Hart,Hodgeson.....?

Even the match going Liverpool fans on here have criticised Sturridge.

His goal record is excellent & he is class when fit,but don't try & make him out to be some kind of victim here.
Every England player as been slated & rightly so 👍🏻👍🏻.
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Not sure what his England ratio is but I'm sure it's not as good as club level. He is very good when fit at club level but never really seems, to me at least, to ever recreate the same intensity and Abu.ity for England. Whether that's the system, the pressure of playing or something else but he is just one of several that seem totally different players for club and country
 
As long as the next fella is English, I really don't care. The best shout so far is Eddie Howe, but the bottom line for whoever takes it on is could they do any worse?
 
Hickory_Hacker said:
This is a hoot ... Do the English fans actually think that they deserve better than loosing to Iceland? All things considered, they did well getting out the group stages.
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Yeah I have the impression that England haven't really under-achieved in the last 30 years (& it'd be harsh to suggest they've over-achieved either)

Maybe a bit more matching realistic expectations with dreams needed
 
Crazyface said:
As long as the next fella is English, I really don't care. The best shout so far is Eddie Howe, but the bottom line for whoever takes it on is could they do any worse?
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Surely all that should matter is the person who is best for the job - the two successful England teams - cricket and rugby both managed by non English managers

The last bunch of English team managers have been failures
 
We had this discussion when Woy came in, Mcalaren, Sven, Cappelo, etc etc.

we don't have a style of play like Germany, Italy, Barca, Iceland, etc etc.

Whoever comes in needs to have a style of play that players understand, can play to, that form players can play to. To many form players playing for unfashionable clubs were left behind for players from big clubs. Alla Rooney, Sterling, Wilshire. If they are not performing they need to be replaced with more than five minutes of the game to go as Woy did when he subbed Rooney for Rashford.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Surely all that should matter is the person who is best for the job - the two successful England teams - cricket and rugby both managed by non English managers

The last bunch of English team managers have been failures
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The England cricket and rugby teams have also realised that they needed to change their style of play as well. Look at the cricketers; chasing down 300 plus in 40 overs, managing to tie a game after losing 4 early wickets and chasing down 250+ without losing a wicket. None of those would have happened under the Moores regime.
 
I would bet good money that this side coached even by Pulis would have beaten a Hodgson side

Foster

Ward - Dann - Shawcross - Cresswell

Townsend - Noble - Drinkwater - Antonio

Defoe - Carroll

Draw your own conclusions from that



It needs someone who doesn't give the first toss about what some "not a football expert" in charge of the FA thinks and won't pander to their nonsense.
 
Crazyface said:
Get Glen Hoddle back in. at least he was working towards something. ( 'Arry Redknap reckons he'd do a good job).
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Yes let's get Hoddle back, let's forget the reasons he was sacked last time and his views on the disabled all that matters is he might help our inept pamperd stars, we could get Ron Atkinson in as his assistant.
 
We need to wake up to the idea that our players aren't as good as we think they are.

So many managers down the years , can they all have been bad?

Prem players are too pampered and full of themselves. I hazard a guess that if we picked players from the Championship only that we would do just as good if not better as a team.
 
sawtooth said:
We need to wake up to the idea that our players aren't as good as we think they are.

So many managers down the years , can they all have been bad?

Prem players are too pampered and full of themselves. I hazard a guess that if we picked players from the Championship only that we would do just as good if not better as a team.
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Indeed.
 
Tongo said:
The England cricket and rugby teams have also realised that they needed to change their style of play as well. Look at the cricketers; chasing down 300 plus in 40 overs, managing to tie a game after losing 4 early wickets and chasing down 250+ without losing a wicket. None of those would have happened under the Moores regime.
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Totally agree. Both rugby and cricket sides have moved forward and are looking capable of taking the best of the world on and winning. Clearly some kind of shift in outlook, performance, training and tactics. The England football have to adopt to the way modern teams play, improve mentality and approach and pick players capable of doing the job
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Totally agree. Both rugby and cricket sides have moved forward and are looking capable of taking the best of the world on and winning. Clearly some kind of shift in outlook, performance, training and tactics. The England football have to adopt to the way modern teams play, improve mentality and approach and pick players capable of doing the job
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Agreed, but in both those sports they pick the players in form and who will do the best job, not who they like the most
 
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