New rules

[bladeplayer]

I see they are written in plain english again & reader friendly as usual
... 18-2b regarding the ball moving in the wind .. WHAT ? made up by a non golfer obviously .. stupid change that one

 

[BTatHome]

Can someone clarify which part bans the compass. There is mention of wind direction I see but I would not see a compass as being in breach of that so which part is being referred to. Apologies if this has been mentioned before or is obvious.

Whilst no specific mention of compass is made the ability to determine wind direction is the reason for a compass to be banned.

You may not see that as being useful to you but if you are in a sheltered area of the course and you know that the wind is blowing westerly (either from a weather report or the flag on the top of the club house etc) then having a compass to determine that is an advantage that they are trying to avoid.

 

[One Planer]

Whilst no specific mention of compass is made the ability to determine wind direction is the reason for a compass to be banned.

You may not see that as being useful to you but if you are in a sheltered area of the course and you know that the wind is blowing westerly (either from a weather report or the flag on the top of the club house etc) then having a compass to determine that is an advantage that they are trying to avoid.

If the only reason for the banning of the compass (if it is) is that it determines wind direction, surely pulling a few snippets of grass and tossing them in the air to determine wind direction should also be banned?


Or have I missed something??

 

[3offTheTee]

Just ooking at one of The Decisions 6-3a/5 which I was not aware of. If in the past you started before your tee off time you were disqualified. Now if you start within 5 minutes there is a 2 shot penalty

 

[jammag]

So looking at the rules it appears that iphone is banned due to the compass. Now what I also find interesting is thatthe device may not tell you the distance between slopes? So say your DMD measures the green length and it slopes full back to front or vice versa then this would make the device illegal?

 

[USER1999]

No, because it can't measure the elevation change required to work out the 'real' distance.

 

[rosecott]

Just ooking at one of The Decisions 6-3a/5 which I was not aware of. If in the past you started before your tee off time you were disqualified. Now if you start within 5 minutes there is a 2 shot penalty

I don't have a Decision 6-3a/5 in my Decisions book. It's also news to me that you are disqualified for starting before your tee-off time. Our Seniors would all be disqualified for starting early as they can't wait to get going!

 

[jammag]

Ah I see I didnt realise that what it meant, to me it sounded as if it measured between the slopes its illegal. Thought I may have been barking up the wrong tree there. The other thing which again could be me going the wrong way here but it says about helping you to make a decision of shot? Does this mean when people put in back middle or front pin position? Im not 100% sure on these so im glad when you guys clear them up for me so I can be a bit more knowledgable on the course if anyone asks.

 

[bladeplayer]

I don't have a Decision 6-3a/5 in my Decisions book. It's also news to me that you are disqualified for starting before your tee-off time. Our Seniors would all be disqualified for starting early as they can't wait to get going!

Me aswell, i normaly turn up 30-40 mins before i play to use putting green etc, sometimes we would be told there is a space there now if ye wana go , if we were all there we would head on ..

 

[CallawayKid]

It's all about interpretation in these rules. If you can argue your corner well enough then that should be good enough.
I have seen no ruling stating that the iPhone is banned...anyone seen that?

Can of worms....OPEN!!!

CK ;-)

 

[3offTheTee]

I don't have a Decision 6-3a/5 in my Decisions book. It's also news to me that you are disqualified for starting before your tee-off time. Our Seniors would all be disqualified for starting early as they can't wait to get going!

If you Take Rule 6-3 from the Rule book it states The player must start at the time established by The Committee and penalty for breach is disqualification

The new Decision states that it is a 2 shot penalty and also quote Rule 33.7. Think commonsense should prevail here

 

[rosecott]

If you Take Rule 6-3 from the Rule book it states The player must start at the time established by The Committee and penalty for breach is disqualification

The new Decision states that it is a 2 shot penalty and also quote Rule 33.7. Think commonsense should prevail here

Has anyone ever been disqualified for starting early?

 

[GB72]

I see they are written in plain english again & reader friendly as usual
... 18-2b regarding the ball moving in the wind .. WHAT ? made up by a non golfer obviously .. stupid change that one

Does that make the A1 next to my club an illegal measuring device. It runs directly along side and pretty much direct North to South in a straight line so not hard to work out the wind direction from that.

Is there anything more specific on this as I read the rule as a ban on anything that is intended to measure wind direction. Then again, would that not mean that the Weather vein on top of the club house is illegal to look at as well.

 

[RobbOnTheRock]

It's all about interpretation in these rules. If you can argue your corner well enough then that should be good enough.
I have seen no ruling stating that the iPhone is banned...anyone seen that?

Can of worms....OPEN!!!

CK ;-)

iPhone is banned by virtue of the fact you cannot remove the weather application from the phone. My interpretation of the rule is if you could remove the compass app and the weather app and assuming the gps app does not measure slope angle or advise what club to play it would be legal......

So if you can remove the illegal apps then your onto a winner.

That's my interpretation of the rule, anybody agree?

Cheers
Andy

 

[palindromicbob]

Does that make the A1 next to my club an illegal measuring device. It runs directly along side and pretty much direct North to South in a straight line so not hard to work out the wind direction from that.

Is there anything more specific on this as I read the rule as a ban on anything that is intended to measure wind direction. Then again, would that not mean that the Weather vein on top of the club house is illegal to look at as well.

Lol it's getting silly now. The weather vien on the club house is fine this is not a piece of equipment you "use" during the round. Carrying one with you would be illegal. The A1 is simply a matter of public information not a measuring device.

A lot of people think the weather app makes the iphone non conforming. Answer is that no it isn't the weather app as it only displays general information freely available prior to a round. It doesn't measure or gauge temp, wind speed etc it just gives a general overview. The actual local temp and wind speed can vary wildly from what the weather app displays.

The ability to measure or gauge various variables is the problem. Another thing often asked is why is a compass illegal. Honestly there isn't any real reason I can think of. Simple fact is that it is and we must live with it.

I didn't expect the R&A to change stance on the use of smart phones as DMD. I would say there is a lot of backroom lobbying by skycaddie et al to maintain the market share. Let's just remember though that DMD are still covered by local rules and remain illegal in competition unless the local rule is in place! I have seen many people assume that because a DMD conforms to the rules then it can be used regardless of local rules or competition rules (in societies etc).

 

[bobmac]

Has anyone ever been disqualified for starting early?

Yes.
Warning long story.

A junior was entered in his 36 hole club champs.
However, he was asked to swap his tee time for an earlier one which he did.
He led after 18 holes. But was told because he didn't get permission to swap his tee time he tee'd off earlier than his original tee time he may be dq'd. In the end, he won the comp by 6 but was dq'd by the committee who said they had no choice in the matter.
The junior was 15, played off Cat I and was reduced to tears.
Good old rules

 

[rosecott]

Are the first two paragraphs of Appendix IV hinting that smartphones be appraised by the R&A/USGA?

A player in doubt as to whether use of a device or other equipment would
constitute a breach of the Rules should consult the R&A.
A manufacturer should submit to the R&A a sample of a device or other
equipment to be manufactured for a ruling as to whether its use during a
stipulated round would cause a player to be in breach of Rule 14-3. The
sample becomes the property of the R&A for reference purposes. If a
manufacturer fails to submit a sample or, having submitted a sample, fails to
await a ruling before manufacturing and/or marketing the device or other
equipment, the manufacturer assumes the risk of a ruling that use of the
device or other equipment would be contrary to the Rules.

 

[rosecott]

Yes.
Warning long story.

A junior was entered in his 36 hole club champs.
However, he was asked to swap his tee time for an earlier one which he did.
He led after 18 holes. But was told because he didn't get permission to swap his tee time he tee'd off earlier than his original tee time he may be dq'd. In the end, he won the comp by 6 but was dq'd by the committee who said they had no choice in the matter.
The junior was 15, played off Cat I and was reduced to tears.
Good old rules

Perhaps the committee was over zealous in applying the rules of golf. Rule 33-7 allows the committee to waive the disqualification in exceptional circumstances.

 

[bobmac]

Perhaps the committee was over zealous in applying the rules of golf. Rule 33-7 allows the committee to waive the disqualification in exceptional circumstances.

The club wouldn't budge even when members almost came to blows in the bar and even the local press got involved.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Is it just me or are a large percentage of club members be unaware that the rules are changing again (well some parts) and will carry on doing more or less what they like week in week out anyway. Why doesn't the R&A etc do more to publicise the changes (ball moving on the green being an obvious one) and really try and drive people to learn and play within the rules. I'm sure a lot of our members have rule books in lockers or at hme but I'm sure if you did a 1st tee audit in a medal almost none would have a copy to hand. I think the R&A might be missing a trick at grass roots level here. I know the new books will be available free but I just feel more could be done to push it all