clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Making it up as they go maybe.
They may even be listening to what golfers are saying about this new rule
They may even be listening to what golfers are saying about this new rule
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I thought this change in the rules was to make things clearer .
This “it applies on some holes but not others “will have players who don’t read local rules DQ
And imo is just adding to the confusion
This “it applies on some holes but not others “will have players who don’t read local rules DQ
And imo is just adding to the confusion
rulefan
Tour Winner
How do these poor people cope when they have a local rule saying a particular path is an integral part of the course or the the GUR on the 14th is play prohibited?
Neilglover5
Newbie
I have correspondence from the R&A that CONGU & EGU have advised them that they will not be allowing the LR (lost ball or OOB) in qualifying competitions!
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Deleted member 15344
Guest
Did hear some rumblings about it - if true imo is good news
KenL
Tour Rookie
Very interesting. Thanks for that.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Why? It will make virtually no difference to scores.
rulefan
Tour Winner
I doubt that they have had any correspondence from the EGU
rulefan
Tour Winner
The RBs said - An idea we explored was that estimating the spot where the ball was lost or crossed the boundary may be more acceptable under a Local Rule, with Committees being guided to introduce the Local Rule only for certain holes where they know that lost balls or balls hit out of bounds are common or for non-elite competitions where handicaps are applied and there are pressing reasons for speeding up play.
Isn't that what CONGU is all about?
Isn't that what CONGU is all about?
Colin L
Tour Winner
The only respectable reason for CONGU making such a decision would be that the varied use/non-use of the LR amongst clubs across its jurisdiction would demonstrably lead to serious inconsistencies in handicapping. It would be outrageous if the decision were made simply because CONGU didn't like the Local Rule per se.
I guess the 2019 Manual will tell us that qualifying competitions have to be played to all the Rules of Golf except for the ones CONGU may from time to time choose to dispense with.
I guess the 2019 Manual will tell us that qualifying competitions have to be played to all the Rules of Golf except for the ones CONGU may from time to time choose to dispense with.
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KenL
Tour Rookie
I would prefer if bodies gave guidance one way or the other.
rulefan
Tour Winner
It has been said elsewhere that the LR is not expected to cause significant variations in scores in rounds (and thereby resultant handicaps) where the LR is or isn't used. If the RBs don't expect variations, what information has CONGU got that would lead them to believe otherwise?
Incidentally, my experience is that most complaints re speed of play involve the normal club monthly/weekly medal. Generally the most popular qualifiers in the calendar.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Well they come on here and ask you guys of course!
rulefan
Tour Winner
Well, whilst I certainly visit a large number of courses as a referee and assessor but can't remember all their local rules.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
My point is how often do golfers say in an open go in and read the local rules.?
So someone wins the open then is DQ ed for dropping on the fairway at a hole it wasn’t part of the LR!
We know it’s going to happen!
Colin L
Tour Winner
To be picky, if he is disqualifed he hasn't won the comp. Sorry, just can't help it, but my coat's on and I'm leaving 
It's not really different, for example, from his taking relief from a tarmac path, not knowing it is defined in the LRs as an integral part of the course. Or from many other examples of getting it wrong because he didn't take the trouble to read the LRs. It's the player's responsibility to know the Rules. The Local Rules are part of the Rules. I'd add to that, though, the responsiblity of the Committee of a comp to make sure players get a copy of the LRs and Terms of the Competition.
It's not really different, for example, from his taking relief from a tarmac path, not knowing it is defined in the LRs as an integral part of the course. Or from many other examples of getting it wrong because he didn't take the trouble to read the LRs. It's the player's responsibility to know the Rules. The Local Rules are part of the Rules. I'd add to that, though, the responsiblity of the Committee of a comp to make sure players get a copy of the LRs and Terms of the Competition.
rulefan
Tour Winner
And it has happened a number of times recently in the pro game. The player didn't bother to check the local rules.
But then how many players entering opens know the substantive rules anyway
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Decision made at our committee meeting this morning to discuss and set the LRs for 2019. the Ball lost alternative etc will not be adopted for the foreseeable future. The introduction of penalty areas where balls are often lost/hard to find and as an alternative to OB will be considered as a better alternative at such time in the future.
Basically we have too many holes where it would be difficult or nearly impossible to implement 'not nearer to the hole' and having it on some but not all holes would probably lead to confusion with the members many of whom seem not to able to read and implement correctly existing local rules.
One thing that was definite - if it is not going to allowed in competition play then it will not be written in to the LRs for general play if we decide at some time in the future to consider it.
The simple view is that what players do within their own groups/ swindles is entirely up to them as long as they stick by the rues in competitions .
Basically we have too many holes where it would be difficult or nearly impossible to implement 'not nearer to the hole' and having it on some but not all holes would probably lead to confusion with the members many of whom seem not to able to read and implement correctly existing local rules.
One thing that was definite - if it is not going to allowed in competition play then it will not be written in to the LRs for general play if we decide at some time in the future to consider it.
The simple view is that what players do within their own groups/ swindles is entirely up to them as long as they stick by the rues in competitions .
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Most courses you drop off paths or you don’t! As LR.To be picky, if he is disqualifed he hasn't won the comp. Sorry, just can't help it, but my coat's on and I'm leaving
It's not really different, for example, from his taking relief from a tarmac path, not knowing it is defined in the LRs as an integral part of the course. Or from many other examples of getting it wrong because he didn't take the trouble to read the LRs. It's the player's responsibility to know the Rules. The Local Rules are part of the Rules. I'd add to that, though, the responsiblity of the Committee of a comp to make sure players get a copy of the LRs and Terms of the Competition.
But don’t think I have played one where you have to play off a path or take a penalty on one hole but not another.
He could have been declared the winner then someone says “ I seen him drop on fairway on the ** hole that’s not allowed here†what happens then?
rulefan
Tour Winner
There are many courses where ancient footpaths which may have remains of stone paving (and therefore may satisfy the requirement of an artificial surface) are deemed by LR to be an Integral Part of the Course. The same course may well have a tarmac path which is an Immovable Obstruction and not deemed to be an IPC.
