New national lockdown from this Wed?

petema99 said:
To be fair - just a quick google search and you can see there are a myriad of articles on whether ventilators are generally helpful or not, including quite a number of doctors who are leading the questioning...

Also, people have always died unnecessarily in hospitals, especially when little is known about the most effective treatment so hardly see how that is getting towards libel as you seem to suggest...

But of course feel free to continue bashing the doctor in question (including suggesting that they are not fit to practice) simply because they may have a different professional viewpoint to you. Nothing like mainatining the arrogant doctor stereotype (Y)
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This is spot on.
My doctors have shut up shop in the first wave and havnt opened since.
Can’t even get a phone call through to the surgery.
But the teachers are working so that’s ok.
 
Imurg said:
Who needs a lockdown with the weather we've got outside...:whistle::poop:
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On t'other side o Offa's Dyke, we're all ready in one. We have 45 mph winds and heavy today too... I can't imagine the courses would be open anyway, even if you were daft enough to go out.

Not sure how good it is holding up current survival rates in support of "no restrictions" - those figures are following having the restrictions. But heck, I am qualified to comment on the process failing of WHS Implementation, not virology! :-)
 
Doodle said:
95.5% survival rate.
Average age of deaths 82
Most with underlying health issues
Only 370 deaths with no underlying health issues.

The PCR test is hugely overstating the infection rate.
The flu deaths are negligible compared to the previous 10 years because they are being reported as Covid.

Contrary to the hysterical media reports, hospital admissions are no worse than the same period in any previous year.

The virus is being over hyped, a lockdown will do more damage to people's health than the virus ever will.
Businesses will fail.
Mental health will suffer.
Treatable illnesses will go untreated resulting in excess death.

A lockdown is not needed & not wanted, it will not work & it will cause complete mayhem.
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One of the big issues with this is the underlying health issues, if we ignore underlying health issues the points are valid the problem is we have millions of people who are not elderly with them and if we cannot control the outbreak they will be next to die after the elderly

For example 2 years a go my wife had Cavatating pneumonia, spent 10 days in intensive care and barely survived, 2 years on she has 3 large cavities in her lung which are not clearing up, Drs say next up is a biopsy which was been put off due to Covid and we are no nearer her getting one. She is 44 and very healthy (You would not know she could be unwell) until she get some sort of cough based illness then her lung cannot cope. She has never been ill in her life before this. There is a good chance Covid could kill her. She is a Senco, head of year, head of maths and primary school teacher. The senco part is really big at the moment as that's the special needs specialist support role and right now these kids need this massively.

Everything you posted does nothing for my wife but maybe kill her, no suggestions, no support no nothing, it's like as you do not fall in to those categories you really don't care and dismiss it as if it's a joke or fake.

You see my wife is not ready for the grave at all, in fact she is about to become an assistant head, has completed her second yer of a masters degree for her roles and there are a massive amount of people like her that need more than stay at home and hide. we need proper government policy and we need people to do as they should and to look after each other not to say i don't care about anything but my Xmas lunch, holiday at Durdle Door or getting drunk in the pub for a few months.

As a race many have us have shown how shallow, weak and pathetic we can be and the me me me society we have become.

We need a policy and process to protect all of those at risk while allowing those who ar enot to continue as close to normal as possible but acknowledging it won't be how it was for a along while now.
 
Whats changed in 3weeks, when Starmer was accused of party politics when he asked for this "circuit breaker" based on SAGE advice/minutes?
 
Stuart_C said:
Whats changed in 3weeks, when Starmer was accused of party politics when he asked for this "circuit breaker" based on SAGE advice/minutes?
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That’s how politics work use someone else’s idea three weeks on and say it’s your own.
Might get told off for this though Stu.
 
Zig said:
Not sure it's the press; they're being deliberately briefed by ministers to float the ideas in the first place. It's not coincidence that Gove, Johnson for example have extremely strong links with the Barclays, Murdoch, and paid a lot to write for their publications.

There are some great examples of countries who have managed covid really well, and hence their economies are operating pretty much as normal: Tiawan, Korea, Canada and NZ - the latter probably the best highlighted in the media.

Just gutted that at the start of the year people (our leaders/any colours) couldn't out their political differences to one side and get together to act in the national interest - we're all in it together, for better or worse!
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There’s also other countries which were models for how to get things right that are now really struggling. There’s no right answer here and it’s actually good different countries have taken different approaches as nobody know which path is the correct course of action.
 
Reemul said:
I don't agree with the we need Xmas, we can have a Xmas day any day. We can move it to another day and celebrate with presents and family and food. It's just a day and trying to specically target it is not the solution.
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Errr...it most certainly ISN‘T just any day for very many people and it can’t be moved thankyou. What many others might choose to do on the 25th December is up to them ... and yes they can do what they wish to do on any day of their choosing - but sorry - we can’t move Christmas Day ??
 
Reemul said:
One of the big issues with this is the underlying health issues, if we ignore underlying health issues the points are valid the problem is we have millions of people who are not elderly with them and if we cannot control the outbreak they will be next to die after the elderly

For example 2 years a go my wife had Cavatating pneumonia, spent 10 days in intensive care and barely survived, 2 years on she has 3 large cavities in her lung which are not clearing up, Drs say next up is a biopsy which was been put off due to Covid and we are no nearer her getting one. She is 44 and very healthy (You would not know she could be unwell) until she get some sort of cough based illness then her lung cannot cope. She has never been ill in her life before this. There is a good chance Covid could kill her. She is a Senco, head of year, head of maths and primary school teacher. The senco part is really big at the moment as that's the special needs specialist support role and right now these kids need this massively.

Everything you posted does nothing for my wife but maybe kill her, no suggestions, no support no nothing, it's like as you do not fall in to those categories you really don't care and dismiss it as if it's a joke or fake.

You see my wife is not ready for the grave at all, in fact she is about to become an assistant head, has completed her second yer of a masters degree for her roles and there are a massive amount of people like her that need more than stay at home and hide. we need proper government policy and we need people to do as they should and to look after each other not to say i don't care about anything but my Xmas lunch, holiday at Durdle Door or getting drunk in the pub for a few months.

As a race many have us have shown how shallow, weak and pathetic we can be and the me me me society we have become.

We need a policy and process to protect all of those at risk while allowing those who ar enot to continue as close to normal as possible but acknowledging it won't be how it was for a along while now.
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Your wife should be protected as best she can be. But to lock the rest of society away in doing so, is as bad as not protecting the vulnerable.

The fall out of this from an economic and mental health point will take a generation to put right.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Errr...it most certainly ISN‘T just any day for very many people and it can’t be moved thankyou. What many others might choose to do on the 25th December is up to them ... and yes they can do what they wish to do on any day of their choosing - but sorry - we can’t move Christmas Day ??
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Me if I was prime minister I would change Xmas day to when the January sales start on Dec 26th ??
 
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