New Local Rules

Got our Regional, New Rules of Golf Workshop tonight, will post anything interesting later.
 
I have from Scottish Golf that CONGU's advice to affiliated clubs on the impact on handicapping of the new Rules has still to get final approval from the CONGU Board and that this should happen by the end of the month.
 
A good evening was had at the England Golf Workshop, this was their 2nd event after Frilford yesterday.
No issues, no big discussion points.
They did clarify that CONGU will not allow the 2 stroke penalty oob option in qualifying comps, but England Golf see it as a “decent” local rule for casual golf and for visitors to your course.
Initially stated CONGU will publish the above in Jan, member of audience suggested that was too late, England Golf agreed and said they will ask CONGU to put the statement out sooner.
Max score comps may be used as qualifiers, max score to be 5 above Par, ie 8,9 & 10, incl stroke play events.
 
pauldj42 said:
Said it was a CONGU decision!
And they will review it over 2019 season for 2020.
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And there was CONGU saying that a unified system is the way forward so we have clubs around the world implementing it and being allowed to operate it during qualifying comps but the U.K. doing what they think is best. Looking forward to the St Mellion meeting.
 
The CONGU system is only 'unified' in GB & Ireland. The other major handicapping system that has the concept of qualifying competitions is the EGA (ie continental Europe). I haven't heard yet if they will be permitting the LR.
It is not relevant to the biggest current system in the world (USGA) nor in the other lesser systems where any legal LR is permitted.
 
Colin L said:
That will be the decision that has still to be finalised then? :)
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The Chairman of England Golf was there last night, Desmond somebody (can’t remember his surname) and he stated quite categorically after a few questions back and forwards that the decision has been made and they are just waiting publication.
Maybe he sees the CONGU Board approval as a done deal.
I can only tell you what all Clubs in Durham and Northumberland were told last night.
 
rulefan said:
So no reasoning provided then ?
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No, the speakers were asked 4-5 questions on the subject and the response was England Golf and CONGU had discussed it and CONGU have decided it could not be used for qualifiers and will monitor it over 2019 for any change in 2020.
When asked when will Clubs be officially notified, we were told mid-jan, follow on question was, isn’t that too late as clubs are prepping for 01 Jan, England Golf agreed and the chairman said he will contact CONGU and ask them to put the decision out as soon as possible.
 
I'm confused as to exactly what they think they could be constructively monitoring?

The only thing I can come up with is trying to establish the impact of the 3m reduced search time on players having to walk back and play again. In the absence of survey tactics they are left attempting to analyse player NR stats for anything meaningful...good luck with that!

In many ways even this will be flawed as players will, over time, establish a new paradigm in terms of when to hit a provisional based on there revised expectations of looking a ball that they might have found with another 2 minutes....even here my understanding is that the 3 min came about after extensive evaluation of balls being found ie If it isn't found within 3min it's not likely to be found etc etc

I'm afraid I remain strongly of the view that introducing the LR at a club for visiting golfers and social rounds is a complete waste of time. Societies may well bring it with them, and social golfers will do what they have always done (which will almost certainly be quicker than the application of the rule as written!)

Worst thing about it is that time energy and effort have been expended on this now non issue - at the inevitable expense of other more important ones.
 
I’m fully behind Congu on this - why should you be able to drop when the ball is lost or OB - if there is any doubt the simple method is then to play a provisional , the rule was a cop out for me. We have seen people put a provisional OB as well so they are off the tee for 5 - in this rule you get that cop.

It was the one rule that didn’t seem right and was a step to making the game easier - can’t sanitize the game too much

If social or society golf want to play it then they could anyway if they wish
 
duncan mackie said:
I'm confused as to exactly what they think they could be constructively monitoring?

The only thing I can come up with is trying to establish the impact of the 3m reduced search time on players having to walk back and play again. In the absence of survey tactics they are left attempting to analyse player NR stats for anything meaningful...good luck with that!

In many ways even this will be flawed as players will, over time, establish a new paradigm in terms of when to hit a provisional based on there revised expectations of looking a ball that they might have found with another 2 minutes....even here my understanding is that the 3 min came about after extensive evaluation of balls being found ie If it isn't found within 3min it's not likely to be found etc etc

I'm afraid I remain strongly of the view that introducing the LR at a club for visiting golfers and social rounds is a complete waste of time. Societies may well bring it with them, and social golfers will do what they have always done (which will almost certainly be quicker than the application of the rule as written!)

Worst thing about it is that time energy and effort have been expended on this now non issue - at the inevitable expense of other more important ones.
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Totally agree, all I could think of is that saying they will monitor it is no more than to appease those who disagree with them.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I’m fully behind Congu on this - why should you be able to drop when the ball is lost or OB - if there is any doubt the simple method is then to play a provisional , the rule was a cop out for me. We have seen people put a provisional OB as well so they are off the tee for 5 - in this rule you get that cop.

It was the one rule that didn’t seem right and was a step to making the game easier - can’t sanitize the game too much

If social or society golf want to play it then they could anyway if they wish
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From a pace of play issue, I believe it could be helpful, we’ve all seen people hit a decent shot and believed it was in play and upon reaching an area it’s either vanished or took a nasty bounce oob, this option allows a choice and possibly saves the time from the walk back to replay a shot.
Happy to sit on the fence either way as some scenarios it may help.
I don’t think it was ever intended to make the game easier.
 
I see pros and cons but CONGU have not explained why they disagree with the R&A and USGA.
I would be surprised if they hadn't considered the implications.
I have a feeling that there will be little data to collect. I really can't see our seniors section using it on alternate Thursdays when one week it is 'social' and the next a medal or stableford qualifier. So it simply won't be used by them even though they are strongly in favour.

I wonder if it had been an opt out rather than opt in, would it have made any difference.
 
Am I right in reading that this new rule on ob or lb won't allowed in qualifiers ? Is that what is being said ?
 
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