New Labour Leader

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
A big question for Labour is whether, by following a Corbyn trajectory, they'd ever be able to get 40 seats in Scotland...(yes - I know that 'ever' implies a very long time...but let's say within then next 10yrs)

:) - moving is still on the agenda...and my Fortrose cousins would have us move there...but methinks that as much as my wife gets on great with these cousins and loves the Inverness area - it's probably just a bit of a stretch from Surrey.
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if she likes an outdoor lifestyle its great, TBH i now wouldn't choose to live anywhere else, we miss nice restaurants and nights out in London and St Albans, but what we have here more than makes up for it.
quality and cost of Golf courses though is the real thing for me where else could i be a member of 3 clubs (2 links) and still have change from £1500
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
A big question for Labour is whether, by following a Corbyn trajectory, they'd ever be able to get 40 seats in Scotland...(yes - I know that 'ever' implies a very long time...but let's say within then next 10yrs)

:) - moving is still on the agenda...and my Fortrose cousins would have us move there...but methinks that as much as my wife gets on great with these cousins and loves the Inverness area - it's probably just a bit of a stretch from Surrey.
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Labour's only chance of surviving in Scotland is to split from UK head office and come out in favour of Independence or strong Federalism
I can see SLab picking up quite a few votes from their old historical voters then.

Property prices on the west coast seem to be finally catching up with the east coast and both on rUK [I wonder why:unsure:]
If HID likes Surrey you should take a look at Alloway property.;) and join a rising market.
 
Imagine being so foolish as to believe all the nonsense spouted about Corbyn.

There’s a massive difference between being unelectable because the voting public are gullible and being unelectable because you’d be a bad Prime Minister. Sadly for most of us, too many people were the former and we lost out at a chance at someone who could’ve been a true leader for everyone.
 
Kellfire said:
Imagine being so foolish as to believe all the nonsense spouted about Corbyn.

There’s a massive difference between being unelectable because the voting public are gullible and being unelectable because you’d be a bad Prime Minister. Sadly for most of us, too many people were the former and we lost out at a chance at someone who could’ve been a true leader for everyone.
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Imagine being so foolish as to believe all the nonsense spouted defending Corbyn. Its so easy to dismiss others views as foolish.

I apreciate a lot of people would have liked Corbyn as their Prime Minister, I strongly disagree with their opinion but respect that they have a right to hold it. You seem to take the view that people like me are too gullible (stupid) not to see him as a great leader who could unify the. Country somehow. I wouldn't dream of calling you gullible or suggest you were stupid for supporting him as that's your perogative, just maybe you could give me the same respect to form a different view.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Labour's only chance of surviving in Scotland is to split from UK head office and come out in favour of Independence or strong Federalism
I can see SLab picking up quite a few votes from their old historical voters then.

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That is the only chance, otherwise they are finished and if they don't see it now it'll be too late for them, if it isn't already.

I'm almost at a stage where I hate labour as much as I hate the tories and believe me, I HATE tories.
 
SocketRocket said:
Imagine being so foolish as to believe all the nonsense spouted defending Corbyn. Its so easy to dismiss others views as foolish.

I apreciate a lot of people would have liked Corbyn as their Prime Minister, I strongly disagree with their opinion but respect that they have a right to hold it. You seem to take the view that people like me are too gullible (stupid) not to see him as a great leader who could unify the. Country somehow. I wouldn't dream of calling you gullible or suggest you were stupid for supporting him as that's your perogative, just maybe you could give me the same respect to form a different view.
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The best example is this - I don’t respect you if you think Corbyn is antisemitic because it’s demonstrably untrue over a very long period of time.

Do you think he is?
 
My own concern if RL-B were to become leader of the LP is simply that as a result of her connections to Corbyn - real or exaggerated it matters not, she would be (and already is) hostage to fortune. The right wing press would tag RL-B with Corbyn's 'Marxist' tag - and would give her pelters for such connections and that tagging. And the electorate who bought, sorry - agreed with, the characterisation of Corbyn this last time, will quite possibly be unwilling to about turn on it the next time with RL-B standing there portrayed by the right wing as a Corbyn 'doppelganger'/clone.
 
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Kellfire said:
I’m asking you about a specific example of the most extreme lies peddled about Corbyn to discredit him. Do you believe he’s an antisemite?
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Ronnie Reagan it was I think who reminded us back then that the truth is what the people believe. And what the people believe is what they read or hear - from what they read or who they listen to. And if what they read or listen to even suggests that Corbyn is an antisemite - then to many that is what he is. That Corbyn's opponents who might well know the actual truth, do not make any attempt to dissuade those then holding such a belief, is just a depressing fact of political life in the UK. C'est la vie. And it works all ways. None are much better than any of the rest.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Ronnie Reagan it was I think who reminded us back then that the truth is what the people believe. And what the people believe is what they read or hear - from what they read or who they listen to. And if what they read or listen to even suggests that Corbyn is an antisemite - then to many that is what he is. That Corbyn's opponents who might well know the actual truth, do not make any attempt to dissuade those then holding such a belief, is just a depressing fact of political life in the UK. C'est la vie. And it works all ways. None are much better than any of the rest.
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Am not to sure people thought he was an antisemite, I think that people thought he was slow to act upon Labour and parts of the party’s approach to antisemitism. Come what may, it was a small part of Corbyn and his inability to connect with Joe Public. He was loved by vast swathes of the Labour Party. But at the same time was loathed by many in the public, not disliked but loathed.
 
SocketRocket said:
I have no idea and have never accused him. Now please respond to my original post.
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You didn’t ask anything. But I stand by the thought that anyone who truly believes Boris Johnson is a better man to lead this country than Jeremy Corbyn, especially if they’re actually aware of both men’s policies and ideas, then there’s a touch of sociopathy at work.
 
Lisa Nandy good interview this morning on James O'Brien (LBC). Forthright and plain-speaking about many things - Trump's Israel/Palestine 'deal'; UK Government response to it; Anti-semetism in the Labour Party; Corbyn and LP top level leadership failures on anti-semetism, Brexit and the GE.
 
Kellfire said:
You didn’t ask anything. But I stand by the thought that anyone who truly believes Boris Johnson is a better man to lead this country than Jeremy Corbyn, especially if they’re actually aware of both men’s policies and ideas, then there’s a touch of sociopathy at work.
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I questioned your view of people who didnt vote Labour as being gullible. I challenge your view as it appears you are suggesting those with a different opinion of Corbyn to yours are stupid people who are not capable of understanding his worth.
I am saying you're wrong and we should all accept that people have different preferences and make different choices for a number of reasons, not many of these are due to being gullible or stupid. I'm calling you out on this and would like you to clarify why you hold such a view.
 
SocketRocket said:
I questioned your view of people who didnt vote Labour as being gullible. I challenge your view as it appears you are suggesting those with a different opinion of Corbyn to yours are stupid people who are not capable of understanding his worth.
I am saying you're wrong and we should all accept that people have different preferences and make different choices for a number of reasons, not many of these are due to being gullible or stupid. I'm calling you out on this and would like you to clarify why you hold such a view.
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No point explaining - you didn’t vote Labour so you simply don’t get it or are a sociopath.
 
Kellfire said:
But I stand by the thought that anyone who truly believes Boris Johnson is a better man to lead this country than Jeremy Corbyn, especially if they’re actually aware of both men’s policies and ideas, then there’s a touch of sociopathy at work.
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Sorry, but I can say that as a life long Labour voter you are wrong, and Corbyn IS the reason I didn't vote Labour at the last GE (and no, I refused to vote Tory)
 
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