the_coach
Journeyman Pro
best answer Op if possible is to get some lessons to get a good grip hold & set-up to the ball & some guidance on takeaway & the concept of transition
the rest of this post for anyone who might be interested - is just a bit of an explanation of Moe's swing plus the Tours modern day version - and issues that I often times see from folks looking to copy a 'one plane' swing in terms of lead arm to shoulder plane (one plane) like Kuch - Moe's & Bryson's are a whole bunch different to that but both in their own separate ways
would certainly advise giving some serious thought to not trying to copy Moe - worked for him partly because of his mental attitude to life & golf (today he'd be placed somewhere's on the aspergers syndrome scale)
and partly because of his stature & physicality
which all led to tad unusual grip hold/set-up/ball position etc and for more ordinary spec clubs a pretty near planar swing motion in relation to the club shaft achieved through a very individualistic movement of the body motion/arms and club with very little hand action - made him 'arrow' straight for sure but despite what he said he wasn't a long hitter of the ball compared to his piers on Tour (would agree the reading of his life story is totally fascinating for sure a tremendous character - often times during tournaments instead of finding a room he'd sleep in a bunker - all of which & more as to why he had so many run-ins with the ruling body's so played 'private money games' to make a living)
he was about the nearest to planar in terms of the movement of the plane of the shaft until Bryson came along with his one length irons & his 'lie spec' which gives him a very very close planar swing model in terms of shaft - but most folks would be unable to use his clubs to either get any flight or distance on the ball
all one plane came to mean was the plane of the lead arm matching the shoulder plane at the top of the swing then through transition - but the shaft plane both in the backswing/transition & downswing is a variable relative plane motion - the reason it was coined at all in recent times is many teaching Pro's like to have some 'label' to stick on their teaching philosophies in order to market and stand out a little from one another
what folks tend not to realize is if the swing at the top is one plane (arms/shoulders) & the shaft plane flattens some in transition then in order to make contact with the ball from halfways thru in the downswing the shaft plane has to steepen - if folks try to stay flat or shallow they are just goin to hit fats all day long
this is indeed true if the backswing plane is a tad steeper so the lead arm is on a tad higher plane than the shoulder plane then through transition the shaft is flattened off some (as it should be) in order not to be ways steep out n'over
so the transition move flattens the shaft then halfways thru the downswing from the "delivery position" the shaft plane still has to steepen some as it moves both down & tip out to the ball - again if it doesn't folks don't do that contact will be behind the ball either by a bit or a whole bunch as the AoA will be ways too shallow
issues see most with folks who want to 'one plane' is it mostly leads to taking the club back too flat to inside to under plane so then the lead arm plane at the top is under the shoulder plane with both being a ways too 'flat' which then tends to have the opposite affect of making transition produce a steeper out to in first move down which either isn't counteracted so remains ways to steep & swinging out to in & leftfield through impact - or it has to be counteracted soon after transition by leaning the upper body back to 'unsteepen' the shaft plane which usually means the shaft is then coming into impact under plane & a tad too shallow
- or from a flat top position in can return even a tad flatter which then has to lead to a ways to in to out path which also then means having to raise up the hands/handle to steepen the shaft in order to make ball contact making the shaft ways too vertical coming into the ball meaning with shots off of the ground the clubhead gets ways to 'heel up' 'toe down' face angle pointing ways rightfield of target what folks would call 'open'
the rest of this post for anyone who might be interested - is just a bit of an explanation of Moe's swing plus the Tours modern day version - and issues that I often times see from folks looking to copy a 'one plane' swing in terms of lead arm to shoulder plane (one plane) like Kuch - Moe's & Bryson's are a whole bunch different to that but both in their own separate ways
would certainly advise giving some serious thought to not trying to copy Moe - worked for him partly because of his mental attitude to life & golf (today he'd be placed somewhere's on the aspergers syndrome scale)
and partly because of his stature & physicality
which all led to tad unusual grip hold/set-up/ball position etc and for more ordinary spec clubs a pretty near planar swing motion in relation to the club shaft achieved through a very individualistic movement of the body motion/arms and club with very little hand action - made him 'arrow' straight for sure but despite what he said he wasn't a long hitter of the ball compared to his piers on Tour (would agree the reading of his life story is totally fascinating for sure a tremendous character - often times during tournaments instead of finding a room he'd sleep in a bunker - all of which & more as to why he had so many run-ins with the ruling body's so played 'private money games' to make a living)
he was about the nearest to planar in terms of the movement of the plane of the shaft until Bryson came along with his one length irons & his 'lie spec' which gives him a very very close planar swing model in terms of shaft - but most folks would be unable to use his clubs to either get any flight or distance on the ball
all one plane came to mean was the plane of the lead arm matching the shoulder plane at the top of the swing then through transition - but the shaft plane both in the backswing/transition & downswing is a variable relative plane motion - the reason it was coined at all in recent times is many teaching Pro's like to have some 'label' to stick on their teaching philosophies in order to market and stand out a little from one another
what folks tend not to realize is if the swing at the top is one plane (arms/shoulders) & the shaft plane flattens some in transition then in order to make contact with the ball from halfways thru in the downswing the shaft plane has to steepen - if folks try to stay flat or shallow they are just goin to hit fats all day long
this is indeed true if the backswing plane is a tad steeper so the lead arm is on a tad higher plane than the shoulder plane then through transition the shaft is flattened off some (as it should be) in order not to be ways steep out n'over
so the transition move flattens the shaft then halfways thru the downswing from the "delivery position" the shaft plane still has to steepen some as it moves both down & tip out to the ball - again if it doesn't folks don't do that contact will be behind the ball either by a bit or a whole bunch as the AoA will be ways too shallow
issues see most with folks who want to 'one plane' is it mostly leads to taking the club back too flat to inside to under plane so then the lead arm plane at the top is under the shoulder plane with both being a ways too 'flat' which then tends to have the opposite affect of making transition produce a steeper out to in first move down which either isn't counteracted so remains ways to steep & swinging out to in & leftfield through impact - or it has to be counteracted soon after transition by leaning the upper body back to 'unsteepen' the shaft plane which usually means the shaft is then coming into impact under plane & a tad too shallow
- or from a flat top position in can return even a tad flatter which then has to lead to a ways to in to out path which also then means having to raise up the hands/handle to steepen the shaft in order to make ball contact making the shaft ways too vertical coming into the ball meaning with shots off of the ground the clubhead gets ways to 'heel up' 'toe down' face angle pointing ways rightfield of target what folks would call 'open'
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