chrisd
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I'm a Palace fan and I like football
Modern football- is it dead ?
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Tongo
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Like that word?
Sorry, but isn't that what happened in the 70s and 80s - Haven't football clubs always 'transfered' - with the bigger clubs generally buying the best? Only the amount of cash has changed, the mechanics haven't. Football has always been like this!!
I actually said English Club football, meaning domestic, not European. Do you think without the Premier League and Sky we'd have been anywhere near the Champions League, with winners to show? Never. Do you think that we'd have had the superstars on display that we've had over the years without it? The new stadia? The Euro's? It's fair to say that no-one will ever know but had football stayed as it was in the 80s, it would have well and truly died.
And re your second question, such is the value of the FAPL now, and I hate to say this, I really do, but for the vast majority, a 'trophy' is retaining Premiership status.
English football maybe dead to you, and if it is, you won't reply cos, well, it's dead to you but it isn't to a few other people....just a few mind....
"From August 2014 to February 2015, 121,000 hours of Premier League coverage were broadcast around the world, generating a cumulative in-home TV audience of 2.13 billion. Coverage was available in 185 countries (out of 193 UN member states) and 225 broadcast territories."
And as for Barca, the monopoly they hold along with Madrid with the TV companies....yet only romance and no ambivalence gained with age, education and understanding of their dealings. Hmmmm.
I love the word ambivalent.
Yes, big clubs have always bought from smaller clubs. Note that i said that Saints selling players is not a new thing. But i cant remember Saints having the guts ripped out of their squad like last summer. The likes of Shearer, Flowers, the Wallace brothers, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc came and went but last summer it was vultures around a carcass. And that despite Saints having had their best season for a long time in 2013/14 and heading in the right direction.
And its easy to claim that English clubs would have done nothing without the PL cash cos there's no evidence to say otherwise. As you said, we'll never know. And how many of the games at Euro 96 were played in those shiny new stadia? Rather they were played in stadia forced to move with the times after Hillsborough. And what of the England national side? So much money floating around and yet so much mediocrity. That has worked well then. At least the likes of Barcelona produce homegrown players for the national team.
As for Barcelona, yep, there's issues with tv money etc, but remember Atletico Madrid broke that stranglehold 2 seasons ago. The last 2 teams to break the hegemony in the PL? Chelsea and Manchester City. What did they need to do so? Money from sugar daddies. Apparently that route is now closed for other clubs as well.
(I can see this developing into a tit for tat, pedantic squabble like too many of the discussions on the football thread!)
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Odvan
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(I can see this developing into a tit for tat, pedantic squabble like too many of the discussions on the football thread!)
Far from it Tongo. It's just the generalisation of 'football is dead'. It isn't.
Morally it it may appear to stink, particularly for the traditionalists amongst the football fraternity and whilst many individuals are getting fed up of constant coverage, sensational salaries and rising viewing costs, the masses aren't.
And as I said right from the start, I'd love to be able to swap my Saturday's for the comps so fair play to you for doing so. If many thousands more do the same up and down the Premier League, only then will things change :thup:
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My answer would be no, if the title had been Modern Football....is it different to what you grew up with? Then my answer is yes, to see young kids and some old men going the match nowadays they feel the same as we did in the 70's/80's/90's, we've simply seen the explosion of money in the game.
Birchy
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I agree with you there Rich.
Ive seen it all from skulking around the lower divisions to european football at places like Bayern Munich and Athletico Madrid.
Towards the end of our premier league days the costs and predictability started to grind on me a bit.
The quality in the championship isnt the same but all the teams are pretty competitive, theres lots of young british talent playing in the teams and there isnt many games with teams playing all out defence and hoping for a result against a team thats spent about 49 billion quid more than them.
I used to watch every live premier league game even when we werent in it but now i only watch the big games. I think the championship has helped me start enjoying football again even though we are terrible now compared to what we have been in the past.
Tongo
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I think the most enjoyable times i've had watching Southampton in recent years was when they were in League One.
pbrown7582
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c1973
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Admitting you have a problem is the first step, well done.
I'm a Rangers fan, and kinda forget what football is. 😁
HomerJSimpson
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As a Fulham fan, what is modern football. Is it a new name for losing every week?
ScienceBoy
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Get down to your local 7/8/9th tier club! Much cheaper day out!
Liverbirdie
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Modern English football is thriving based on income, wages, attendances, national and global interest, top foreign players coming in in their prime etc.
Is it the game I fell in love with as a kid and into my twenties, no. Player power, greed, agents, ticket prices, running down contracts etc are spoiling it for me, and I do begrudge the wages they are on.
Is it the game I fell in love with as a kid and into my twenties, no. Player power, greed, agents, ticket prices, running down contracts etc are spoiling it for me, and I do begrudge the wages they are on.
Pin-seeker
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Players have way too much power nowadays.
Average players are earning silly money.
Average players are earning silly money.
Tashyboy
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well as a city fan,it has now been confirmed that Mr Delph won't be joining City. And I am glad. Mr Delph is too good to be spending half of his time sitting on the bench in the same sense that James Milner knew that were he to stay then he too would of been sat on the bench. To further his career he needed to play at Villa.
problem for Delph is he will get time at Villa But will it be another year of struggling. I can understand Delphs head being turned by City but why did a top eight team not come in for him if he was tempted to play to a higher standard ?
problem for Delph is he will get time at Villa But will it be another year of struggling. I can understand Delphs head being turned by City but why did a top eight team not come in for him if he was tempted to play to a higher standard ?
Mattyboy
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I can't agree that fans do not want their team in the premier league. Every fan wants to see their team in the promised land and hopes to do well against the best IMO.
What winds me up is the cost for away fans. We have Norwich away first game. Its cost me £130 for tickets and to get there, for me and my boy, before any food etc is bought.
Twenty's plenty IMO!
What winds me up is the cost for away fans. We have Norwich away first game. Its cost me £130 for tickets and to get there, for me and my boy, before any food etc is bought.
Twenty's plenty IMO!
pbrown7582
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ouch!
Rooter
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I'm with a lot of you on here, the championship and below is great entertainment! I will take my lad to a few games at the San Madjeski this season, he loved his first visit last year to watch them spank Norwich!
Would i drive up to Liverpool to watch these days? probably not, i used to every other week or schedule work round home games! Just not that bothered any more.
Would i drive up to Liverpool to watch these days? probably not, i used to every other week or schedule work round home games! Just not that bothered any more.
pbrown7582
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Taking out the travel costs to merseydide is it actually much cheaper to go to the Mad stad?
For me and the lad to go I. The famy stand at OT is £35 me and £10 for him.
Rooter
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If its just me and him, we can get a Family ticket (1 adult + 1 child) for 27 quid. Season tickets we may look at in a few years, i think they offer a free season ticket to under 7's or a family (as above) for about 420 a season. Not bad if you are going to go to every home game etc.. He is not that into yet though, may wait till boy #2 is old enough and we will go as a 3 ball.
Canary_Yellow
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When 2-1 is a spanking, you know you support a club in the doldrums!
In my opinion, for the smaller clubs, getting promoted from the Championship generally makes for a more exciting season than the season(s) that follow in the premier league, but that's not always the case. We had a great season first season up last time round and Swansea, Palace and Southampton have had a great season or two as well.
No doubt that money has changed the game, but if people want a purer football experience which doesn't involve £50 tickets and £4.50 pints then there are plenty of places to get that but it's not the premier league. For me the most enjoyable bit of being a football fan is feeling like being part of something, sharing in the success and misery of your club, that can be had at any level of the game, arguably more so in the lower divisions.
Modern football clearly isn't dead, it's just different to football in years gone by. That's good and bad, clearly it can be expensive, but on the other hand it's a family affair these days in a way it certainly was not 30 years ago.
