Mizuno fitting??

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I have posted about my recent Mizuno fitting and troubles deciding what clubs to buy.

When I was at the fitting last week, one of the first things that the guy did was to measure my arm length and commented that I have quite long arms (I am 6ft tall)and that he might go for slightly longer shafts. I thought this strange at the time but we moved on so quickly I didn't really gather my thoughts.

Today I was using a Tileist club in the spec recommended by Mizuno to see what I thought of them. The Pro said that they didn't look right at standard length, 2 degrees upright. He did the measurements and it turns out that I should have 1" shorter shafts and, in Titleist should be 2 degrees flat. Going 1" down the shaft of the titleist with my preferred 5.5 project x shaft I stonked the ball with little dispersion.


The upshot - I think Mizuno got it wrong and I now have a set of Titleist AP2 clubs being ordered tomorrow

Chris
 
No honestly I would get a third opinion, just to confirm that one or the other is right. In fact do the online fitting on the Ping website it is never that far out, so it will give you some peace of mind.

What ever you get I hope they work well for you.

Shark
 
No honestly I would get a third opinion, just to confirm that one or the other is right. In fact do the online fitting on the Ping website it is never that far out, so it will give you some peace of mind.

What ever you get I hope they work well for you.

Shark
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I did the Ping fitting and it came out standard length which is what I have ordered my clubs in. I will just go down the shaft to where, on test, I get the best strike. I did the lie test with the strike board and marking tape on the sole and club face. When I had 2 degrees flat and an inch down the shaft the strike was dead centre.

Thanks guys


Chris
 
No honestly I would get a third opinion, just to confirm that one or the other is right. In fact do the online fitting on the Ping website it is never that far out, so it will give you some peace of mind.

What ever you get I hope they work well for you.

Shark
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I agree with Shark....
The online fitting with Ping was pretty accurate with me....The only thing that really changed with my customfit session was the Lie angle which for my height at 5'11 was within the red and the standard black dot....
I was fitted for the red.
 
With regards to the lie, there is 1.5 deg diff in standard lie on the ap2 against the mp53 and mp63, that may explain the diff in the fit. Not sure about the long or short arms though! lol

I have my R9TP at 2 deg up, but I am only 5'8", toe sits up at address, but is spot on at impact, I guess it maybe how you were swinging too?

Maybe a 3rd try is not a bad idea?? :)
 
Just done the ping online fitting, +0.5" yellow with either steel stiff or regular graphite and White grip.

What I was very impressed with was the fact ping have a iPhone app instead of a slow iPhone website - bang on!
 
I think you're right about querying the length. Surely the closer your arms are to the ground, the shorter the club needs to be, ignoring how you stand and swing.
 
I would say that's pretty logical. I'm 6-2" ish and my hands are 35" from ghe floor to wrist hinge and they advised 0-5". Surely the closer your hands are to the floor then ghd sorter the club and the flatter the lie required
 
I think you're right about querying the length. Surely the closer your arms are to the ground, the shorter the club needs to be, ignoring how you stand and swing.
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You and Oddsocks are absolutely right. It does rather cast doubt on Mizuno's regional fitting. I understand that clubs vary make by make but in Mizuno I have gone from 2 defgrees up to 2 degrees flat in the Titleist

Whatever, the fact is that I hit the Titleist clubs so sweet I decided to order them.


Cheers guys

Chris
 
I would say that's pretty logical. I'm 6-2" ish and my hands are 35" from ghe floor to wrist hinge and they advised 0-5". Surely the closer your hands are to the floor then ghd sorter the club and the flatter the lie required
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Ah...but where are your hands during the swing, just before the point of impact ?
 
Fitting is not an exact science. One day you may stand a little more upright than another or swing it a bit different, and there is a tolerance within the fit. All of these can add up. I would consider the dynamic fits better than a static fit (e.g. Ping online), assuming you want the clubs to work when being swung rather than just posing over the ball still. Several of the factors measured in the Mizuno fit cannot be considered in a static fit, e.g. tempo, release and tow down bend. All of these affect the fit.

I am rather surprised that a tall bloke was fitted for -1". Many tall blokes wrongly assume they need overlength clubs, and most do fine with standard length, but few get underlength. Presumably you have arms like an orang-utan.

It is not surprising that you had less dispersion when going down the shaft. That is possibly more to do with simply going down the shaft than the merits of the club.
 
Fitting is not an exact science. One day you may stand a little more upright than another or swing it a bit different, and there is a tolerance within the fit. All of these can add up. I would consider the dynamic fits better than a static fit (e.g. Ping online), assuming you want the clubs to work when being swung rather than just posing over the ball still. Several of the factors measured in the Mizuno fit cannot be considered in a static fit, e.g. tempo, release and tow down bend. All of these affect the fit.

I am rather surprised that a tall bloke was fitted for -1". Many tall blokes wrongly assume they need overlength clubs, and most do fine with standard length, but few get underlength. Presumably you have arms like an orang-utan.

It is not surprising that you had less dispersion when going down the shaft. That is possibly more to do with simply going down the shaft than the merits of the club.
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I don't doubt anything that you have said Ethan, but, the fitting needs to be as correct as it can so that the chances of a good strike when playing are maximised. I have now been called "Monkey Man" and I was wondering what the scrape marks on my knuckles were from!

Chris
 
Can you imagine what use a static c'f would be to Homer?

Um, even a dynamic fit, come to that. All that ducking and diving going on. No wonder he goes for off the shelf.

My clubs are plus 1/2". Right or wrong that's what they are. Any thing standard now feels like kids toys. Silly, as it's only 1/2", but my TEE hybrid 3i was standard length, so the same length as my 4i, and it felt so wrong. Had 5/8 put on it (greedy) and it feels like home.
 
Fitting is not an exact science. One day you may stand a little more upright than another or swing it a bit different, and there is a tolerance within the fit. All of these can add up. I would consider the dynamic fits better than a static fit (e.g. Ping online), assuming you want the clubs to work when being swung rather than just posing over the ball still. Several of the factors measured in the Mizuno fit cannot be considered in a static fit, e.g. tempo, release and tow down bend. All of these affect the fit.

I am rather surprised that a tall bloke was fitted for -1". Many tall blokes wrongly assume they need overlength clubs, and most do fine with standard length, but few get underlength. Presumably you have arms like an orang-utan.

It is not surprising that you had less dispersion when going down the shaft. That is possibly more to do with simply going down the shaft than the merits of the club.
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I don't doubt anything that you have said Ethan, but, the fitting needs to be as correct as it can so that the chances of a good strike when playing are maximised. I have now been called "Monkey Man" and I was wondering what the scrape marks on my knuckles were from!

Chris
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Of course the fitting has to be as correct as possible, but how do you know which fit is most correct?

Clubs that are shorter have a more upright lie, about 1 degree more upright for a 1" shortening in length. So the clubs that are 2 degrees flat at -1" is the equivalent of 3 degrees flat at standard length.

The MP53 6 iron is 37.25" long and 61 degrees lie. The AP2 is 37.5" long and 62.5 degrees lie. If we adjust the AP2 lie for length, we would add 0.25 degrees, so a 37.25" AP2 would be 62.75 degrees, a difference of 1.75 degrees from the Mizuno.

So the correct fit for the same golfer between a MP53 and AP2 is 1.75 degrees flatter in the AP2 and if you were told standard lie in the Mizzy and 1.75 degrees flat in the AP2, then the fit for both is exactly the same.

Even so, the -1" length still sounds odd to me for a tall bloke, and buying clubs at standard length may be sensible.
 
Even so, the -1" length still sounds odd to me for a tall bloke, and buying clubs at standard length may be sensible.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation - that tells me quite a lot.

I have ordered the Titleist in standard shaft length as I was worried that a shorter shaft might change the characterisics of the clubs. I hit shots to die for by gripping about an inch down the shaft and if I can do that when they arrive I will be hoping that single figures might arrive next season.

It was strange that the Mizuno's were 2 degrees up and the Titleist 2 degrees down, given what you have said about the 1.5 degree difference, but I may go to the range again today and retest the lie just to be sure. The clubs were only ordered this morning so could be changed if necsessary.


Thanks again Ethan, this forum has so many helpful people



Chris
 
Glad you finally decided on some new stix and I hope they keep working for you past the honeymoon period.
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Thanks James


I wonder if Brendy will let me post a pic up on "for sale" before I get them??


Chris
 
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