Medal play ruling

[rulefan]

22.2 Either partner may take any allowed action for the side before the stroke is made, such as to mark the spot of the ball and lift, replace, drop and place the ball, no matter which partner’s turn it is to play next for the side.
and
23.5 A player may take any action concerning the partner’s ball that the partner is allowed to take before making a stroke, such as to mark the spot of the ball and lift, replace, drop and place the ball.

seem to fit the bill.

 

[Steven Rules]

That is fine for four-ball or foursomes but it doesn't cover 'medal play' (i.e. I assume a singles event) as per the OP. Let's not overcomplicate this too much. It is permissible for another person to mark/lift/replace the player’s ball; they just need the player’s authorisation each time.

"Would you mind marking my ball for me please."

 

[bobmac]

Can you help me across the road please.
Hang on, I'll check with the highway code.
A sad state of affairs.
And what makes it worse....

It is permissible for another person to mark/lift/replace the player’s ball; they just need the player’s authorisation each time.

The world is in a sad place when the rules of a game are more important than helping people less fortunate than themselves

 

[chrisd]

The world is in a sad place when the rules of a game are more important than helping people less fortunate than themselves

Quite the reverse Bob, the rule is there to help the person play in a comp and do something that would otherwise may not be allowed.

 

[bobmac]

Quite the reverse Bob, the rule is there to help the person play in a comp and do something that would otherwise may not be allowed.

''I've got problems with my back this morning, can you help me by teeing the ball up for me today?''
''Certainly, but you'll have to ask me each time''

The rule makers don't just stick in words and phrases just for the hell of it, every word is thought through.
If I knew why he has to ask every time and it made sense to me, then I'd be much happier.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

''I've got problems with my back this morning, can you help me by teeing the ball up for me today?''
''Certainly, but you'll have to ask me each time''

The rule makers don't just stick in words and phrases just for the hell of it, every word is thought through.
If I knew why he has to ask every time and it made sense to me, then I'd much happier.

Indeed…

As much as I get what the rules say about what can be done once a player‘s ball is in play, the rules seem to specifically address ‘the ball in play’. If I place another players ball on a tee his ball is not in play, so I don’t see how rules relating to a ‘ball in play’ apply; we know when a ball is ‘in play’, and when sitting on a tee peg before the player addresses it, it is not. Well that’s what I’ve always understood.

 

[salfordlad]

''I've got problems with my back this morning, can you help me by teeing the ball up for me today?''
''Certainly, but you'll have to ask me each time''

The rule makers don't just stick in words and phrases just for the hell of it, every word is thought through.
If I knew why he has to ask every time and it made sense to me, then I'd be much happier.

There is no requirement to ask before getting help teeing a ball. (The rulefan box just won't disappear no matter what I do.)

 

[bobmac]

The guy has a bad back and finds it painful to bend over.
Does it matter if he trying to tee his ball up or mark/replace ball?

14.1.b
Your ball may be lifted under the Rules only by you or anyone you authorize, but you must give such authorization each time before your ball is lifted rather than giving it generally for the round.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The guy has a bad back and finds it painful to bend over.
Does it matter if he trying to tee his ball up or mark/replace ball?

14.1.b
Your ball may be lifted under the Rules only by you or anyone you authorize, but you must give such authorization each time before your ball is lifted rather than giving it generally for the round.

But surely that rule is specifically directed at when a player’s ball is ‘in play’.

 

[bobmac]

But surely that rule is specifically directed at when a player’s ball is ‘in play’.

The guy has a bad back.
He finds it painful to bend over.
His back doesn't care if the ball is in play or not.
He has to give authority every time.
I'm just repeating myself so I'm out.

 

[Colin L]

The guy has a bad back.
He finds it painful to bend over.
His back doesn't care if the ball is in play or not.
He has to give authority every time.
I'm just repeating myself so I'm out.

Not again. You've only just come back in. Do stay because it has been clearly said: there is no rule preventing you from teeing up a ball for another player; and since the ball is not in play a rule about marking and lifting a ball has nothing to do with it.

 

[salfordlad]

The guy has a bad back.
He finds it painful to bend over.
His back doesn't care if the ball is in play or not.
He has to give authority every time.
I'm just repeating myself so I'm out.

You regularly seem to be on a mission to bag the Rules at every opportunity, to find problems everywhere, to argue that the requirements are onerous. LOL, if I have someone in my group that needs help teeing, no problem, I'll do it. On the green, again, no problem. I just say "okay to mark Bob" and Bob only needs to grunt or smile and we are fully Rules compliant. Suggesting there is something overly demanding or inappropriate here makes little sense to me.
But keep bringing all your perceived concerns and we'll see if they stand up to dispassionate consideration.

 

[chrisd]

''I've got problems with my back this morning, can you help me by teeing the ball up for me today?''
''Certainly, but you'll have to ask me each time''

The rule makers don't just stick in words and phrases just for the hell of it, every word is thought through.
If I knew why he has to ask every time and it made sense to me, then I'd be much happier.

I would guess that the requirement to ask the player each time is so that the player takes responsibility for what is happening for him, and, therefore can't blame his helper for any related penalties. Having said that, we are only discussing a competition scenario, as what they do in a casual round matters not.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not again. You've only just come back in. Do stay because it has been clearly said: there is no rule preventing you from teeing up a ball for another player; and since the ball is not in play a rule about marking and lifting a ball has nothing to do with it.

You regularly seem to be on a mission to bag the Rules at every opportunity, to find problems everywhere, to argue that the requirements are onerous. LOL, if I have someone in my group that needs help teeing, no problem, I'll do it. On the green, again, no problem. I just say "okay to mark Bob" and Bob only needs to grunt or smile and we are fully Rules compliant. Suggesting there is something overly demanding or inappropriate here makes little sense to me.
But keep bringing all your perceived concerns and we'll see if they stand up to dispassionate consideration.

I think his point is the need to do it each time. Could he not say on the first tee that player X is going to tee up the ball on each tee for him and that be the end of it? It would be for most people but if a rules pedant was playing then they could call foul on hole 2 if it was not said.

The need, if it is so, to say it x 18 seems pretty silly.

 

[chrisd]

I think his point is the need to do it each time. Could he not say on the first tee that player X is going to tee up the ball on each tee for him and that be the end of it? It would be for most people but if a rules pedant was playing then they could call foul on hole 2 if it was not said.

The need, if it is so, to say it x 18 seems pretty silly.

He, a helper, doesn't need to ask when teeing up, as the ball is not in play until he plays a stroke at it. So his helper doesn't have to ask that question 18 times , it's only what he asks after the tee shot that he needs permission to do

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not again. You've only just come back in. Do stay because it has been clearly said: there is no rule preventing you from teeing up a ball for another player; and since the ball is not in play a rule about marking and lifting a ball has nothing to do with it.

Thankyou…

 

[tobybarker]

My reply had 2 parts

ironic that a thread is hijacked (nay, cluttered) to complain about lack of relevance

 

[Backsticks]

The guy has a bad back and finds it painful to bend over.
Does it matter if he trying to tee his ball up or mark/replace ball?

14.1.b
Your ball may be lifted under the Rules only by you or anyone you authorize, but you must give such authorization each time before your ball is lifted rather than giving it generally for the round.

Back in the real world, nobody asks or gives authorisation. You just mark it. No penalties. Competition or not. Common sense prevails and people get on with enjoying golf. You have to take a bit of leeway in the rules to smooth its sharper edges.

 

[Colin L]

Back in the real world, nobody asks or gives authorisation. You just mark it. No penalties. Competition or not. Common sense prevails and people get on with enjoying golf. You have to take a bit of leeway in the rules to smooth its sharper edges.

There's aye someone who comes along to churn out this sort of nonsense - and by no means just in this forum. How would you react in a match if your opponent kept on nudging their ball into a better lie before playing on the grounds that they were just taking a bit of leeway to smooth out a sharp edged rule? Call him on it, or get on with a bit of smoothing of your own?