McIlroy and his caddie

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drdel said:
JP was not cited/ mentioned. My post mentioned a potential issue that is common with many famous and rich people.
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You're right it is very much an issue for young people who get rich

I think that's why McIlroy moved away from Horizon - too many people wanting to make money off him. Certainly sees like he is now settled looking after his own affairs ( with a bit of help from Chubby)
 
We'll never know the full amount of impact McIlroys caddie has, Its one of those things you can assume, surmise and discuss but only those two will know. Whether as an outsider it seems both are getting the best from each other, is debatable but I don't see the pairing changing soon
 
There was some interesting discussions in the Masters Breakfast show about caddies, not this in oarticular but quite informative in the context of the discussion.

They were saying that Spieths caddie was sitting with the old Augusta caddies talking through their strategy for each hole with the yardage book, marking out what club he'd hit, where the miss was etc etc.

Then the Sky lads were saying McIlroy had decided to hit 3 wood off the 2nd every day to avoid the bunker.

Spieth wasn't playing very well and just about won the thing, McIlroy obviously chucked his "game plan" out the window and horsed it into the bunker 2 days running!

Whether its caddie, or player, or a combination of both, he needs to get his head out his jacksie. Just because he can hit driver incredibly well doesn't mean he should do it everywhere. Maybe the caddie should just have given him the 3 wood in the 2nd tee and walked away with the rest of his clubs....

Just an example of, from the outsides at least, where their approaches differ.
 
I saw that and what you say makes total sense. What however does the caddy do if he knows that action will result in getting the sack? Walk away from the best salary he will ever get? Maybe RM is someone who likes to make his own decisions and wants his caddy to only do certain things. If the caddy follows those instructions then he should not get hammered, that is for McCilroy and perhaps his management to resolve. Until we know the relationship that RM wants with his caddy it is hard to slam the caddy for mistakes he may not actually be making.
 
too many times we have seen Rory throw the towel in early. this was yet another example.

he wasn't the only one. half the board was on their way to bed seeing nothing but Jordan winning yet again.

Patience was in short supply on Sunday. :rofl:
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I saw that and what you say makes total sense. What however does the caddy do if he knows that action will result in getting the sack? Walk away from the best salary he will ever get? Maybe RM is someone who likes to make his own decisions and wants his caddy to only do certain things. If the caddy follows those instructions then he should not get hammered, that is for McCilroy and perhaps his management to resolve. Until we know the relationship that RM wants with his caddy it is hard to slam the caddy for mistakes he may not actually be making.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that JP is a bad caddie, just that he may not be the best caddie for Rory at the moment.

I think possibly the worst decision the pair made was Rorys 2nd to 11 in round 3, it just was not the shot to attempt, if Rory cannot see that a stronger caddie may have
 
freddielong said:
I think possibly the worst decision the pair made was Rorys 2nd to 11 in round 3, it just was not the shot to attempt, if Rory cannot see that a stronger caddie may have
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And then to follow it up with an almost identical shot on day 4!
 
Rory is stubborn, simple. Until his confidence returns on the Augusta greens he will fail miserably each time.

It is well known that JP is one of the best in the business. Unless their personal relationship has deteriorated I can see it being a Mickelson\Bones type of scenario.

Firing JP would only add to his woe's at this moment and time.
 
Scratch lefty said:
Rory is stubborn, simple. Until his confidence returns on the Augusta greens he will fail miserably each time.

It is well known that JP is one of the best in the business. Unless their personal relationship has deteriorated I can see it being a Mickelson\Bones type of scenario.

Firing JP would only add to his woe's at this moment and time.
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Ok so because he is stubborn a good caddie will just sit back and let him make the same mistakes over and over as long as they get paid, I didn't realise.
 
freddielong said:
Ok so because he is stubborn a good caddie will just sit back and let him make the same mistakes over and over as long as they get paid, I didn't realise.
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I have been behind the ropes and caddied on the European Tour, JP is one of the best.

Remember, the player plays the shot not the caddy.
 
Scratch lefty said:
I have been behind the ropes and caddied on the European Tour, JP is one of the best.

Remember, the player plays the shot not the caddy.
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But the best pairings are just that and work in conjunction. Look at Willett and his man at the last stepping off and going again. Spieth and his man, who never panicked after 12 and kept going. Loads of good bagmen but the very best know when they need to be firm. Not sure JP has this at the moment with McIlroy
 
HomerJSimpson said:
But the best pairings are just that and work in conjunction. Look at Willett and his man at the last stepping off and going again. Spieth and his man, who never panicked after 12 and kept going. Loads of good bagmen but the very best know when they need to be firm. Not sure JP has this at the moment with McIlroy
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You guys just don't get it :rolleyes:
 
I understand Van de Veldes' old caddy is looking for a bag. Perhaps Rory could use him.

BTW. If Spieth had played from the dropping zone on the 12th. and made 5, he would still have lost the Masters.
 
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