Matchplay Query

[road2ruin]

We had an issue arise in a matchplay comp at the weekend and no one was quite sure of what the actual rules were. As per usual a lot of people in the clubhouse gave their opinions (some more helpful than others) however there didn't seem to be a definitive ruling that could be found.

So....here it is....

Player A is 1 hole up on the 18th tee, Player B wins the 18th so the match is halved (it's against another club so halves are allowed). Back in the clubhouse Player A realises that he should have got a shot on the 16th which would have meant that he'd have won that particular hole, been 2 up on the 18th and so would have won the match. Obviously Player A is a tit for not realising that he gets a shot however what is the actual ruling?

 

[Colin L]

The match remains halved. The player was responsible for knowing when he received strokes and has to put up with forgetting. See Note to Rule 6-2
Note: It is the player’s responsibility to know the holes at which handicap strokes are to be given or received.

and also Decision 6-2a/4
http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-06/#d6-2a-4

 

[road2ruin]

Colin, that's great, thank you!

 

[Maninblack4612]

The match remains halved. The player was responsible for knowing when he received strokes and has to put up with forgetting. See Note to Rule 6-2
Note: It is the player’s responsibility to know the holes at which handicap strokes are to be given or received.

and also Decision 6-2a/4
http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-06/#d6-2a-4

Don't think the decision covers it because it says the player conceded the hole without holing out. In this case the OP says the player "would have won the hole" so presumably holed out. The state of the game is a matter of fact & in this case the player won 2 & 1

 

[North Mimms]

Don't think the decision covers it because it says the player conceded the hole without holing out. In this case the OP says the player "would have won the hole" so presumably holed out. The state of the game is a matter of fact & in this case the player won 2 & 1

I thought in matchplay, you agree the result of each hole before teeing off at the next. If you're wrong and find out later, what you agreed stands

 

[Colin L]

Don't think the decision covers it because it says the player conceded the hole without holing out. In this case the OP says the player "would have won the hole" so presumably holed out. The state of the game is a matter of fact & in this case the player won 2 & 1

That's not correct. You might look at Rule 2-5 as well. The player does not realise till after the match that he made a mistake. The Committee can only consider a claim if three conditions are met:
1) It was made timeously (before either played from the next tee or had left the green in the case of a claim on the 18th). No mention was made of it till they were back in the clubhouse.
2)It is based on something previously unknown. In this case, the fact of his receiving a stroke was known to the player.
3) The opponent has given wrong information. He didn't.

There isn't a valid claim. The result stands as a half.

By the way, it doesn't matter how the outcome of the hole was decided - by a conceded putt or by both players holing out.

 

[doublebogey7]

That's not correct. You might look at Rule 2-5 as well. The player does not realise till after the match that he made a mistake. The Committee can only consider a claim if three conditions are met:
1) It was made timeously (before either played from the next tee or had left the green in the case of a claim on the 18th). No mention was made of it till they were back in the clubhouse.
2)It is based on something previously unknown. In this case, the fact of his receiving a stroke was known to the player.
3) The opponent has given wrong information. He didn't.

There isn't a valid claim. The result stands as a half.

By the way, it doesn't matter how the outcome of the hole was decided - by a conceded putt or by both players holing out.

I agree & believe decision 2-5/6, confirms your reasoning.

 

[CMAC]

apart from the actual rules- common sense would prevail. Match is over, hands shaken, now in Clubhouse and results known.

No back backers!:smirk:

 

[Foxholer]

apart from the actual rules- common sense would prevail. Match is over, hands shaken, now in Clubhouse and results known.

No back backers!:smirk:

Normally that would be pretty logical - eg if it was realised that there was a shot due on the 1st that wasn't taken. But, in this case, the fact that the match would also have been over if the shot had been taken where due (on 16) gives a certain amount of legitimacy to the claim imo.

However, that's not the way the Rules work - basically, once you tee off on the next hole, whatever happened on the previous hole is irrelevant.

 

[Kellfire]

Let's make it more simple.

You've holed out on a given hole and the opposition declares "that's a half there, still all square" mistakenly not realising that he actually won the hole. You, too, don't realise.

On the next tee, after everyone has teed off, your opponent says, "Oh wait, I won the last, I'm one up" as he realises his mistake.

It wasn't because he didn't take a shot he was owed, he simply added up wrong in his head.

By the rules, is the match all square or is he one up?

 

[Colin L]

Whichever you wish.