Val
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Which is great until they get a fake one and do one and head over there again
Manchester Terrorist Attack!
- Thread starter Fish
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Which is great until they get a fake one and do one and head over there again
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Not one single person on here has made excuses for them and it's disgusting to even suggest such a thing
Not one single person has said carry on as normal
But you carry on reading into people's post whatever you like so that you can carry on posting your tripe.
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Which sort of makes all these comments about deportation etc pointless doesn't it.
As you're fully aware Martin, we need to try and get one step ahead of these people and the only way is to trust the security services.
Saw the video today from 2015 when the now PM was Home Secretary and she adressed the Police Federation and told them to stop scaremongering when they warned her about cutbacks to Coppers and needing the Army on the streets if we faced a major incident.
Politicians are more interested in finances than lives imo.
Val
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100% agree and through finances at them to do it, if the government publicly came out and said we need to raise tax 1% to put more cops and armed units in the street I'd happily pay it.
Given lots of these PC rules are enforced by he EU (European court of justice etc) surely Brexit (apologies for bringing this in but it's relevant) can help us in some way.
I don't believe in deportation en masse but we need to have something to bring these people into line. Like I said earlier Guinard, it could be our version of Guantanamo.
But what part of it is tripe?
There's posts on here stating that the reason for the terror attacks is the UK's involvement in actions such as Iraq, Libya and Syria. Call it a reason, or call it an excuse, as to why we now have terrorists. But no one is excusing them, though it could be argued they have a disgusting (excuse) reason for doing it.
As for they all want to kill us and other non-IS muslims; have a read of how IS was formed and its declaration of a Caliphate. A Caliphate has a huge amount of support across the muslim world - maybe not an IS led one but certainly one similar to the last one, which ended 90 years ago.
SocketRocket
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OK, for the very last time and it will be the very last time. Let me type slowly so you can take it all in:
There are two cases here; one where people immigrate to the UK as they see it as a place to live better than where they lived before, these people should be given a temporary residency visa to live in the UK for their lifetimes, if at any time in their lifetimes while in the UK they are found to have had any part to play in terrorist activities they and their families would have their visas cancelled and they would be deported, the guilty party would first serve any sentence they were given first. The second case is where all the family of the guilty party were born in the UK, in this case the guilty person would be sentenced and serve their time.
I hope you are capable of digesting and understanding this now. If you're not then I cant explain it in any simpler way and will have to consider you dont want to understand it.
This really is my last reply to you as further discussion will be completely futile.
spongebob59
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Well said as ever
https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/867887932731924480
https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/867887932731924480
Old Skier
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Young lad from the west country about to be sentanced today for putting a bomb on a tube train.
White, Christian from a good home with no knowledge of the middle east.
Which country do those who advocate deportation suggest we ship him off to.
White, Christian from a good home with no knowledge of the middle east.
Which country do those who advocate deportation suggest we ship him off to.
oxymoron
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Gents, can we all take a deep breath please and understand that this is a forum , the posts may not be a true reflection of what the poster actually means . We can all read what we want in to a post its not easy to accurately interpret what the poster is trying to get across all the time ,,, so deep breaths please , and a little less insults .
Let us be thankful we can post\discuss things like this and not be afraid of the state censorship that some people live with.
Let us be thankful we can post\discuss things like this and not be afraid of the state censorship that some people live with.
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CheltenhamHacker
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I know you're "out" but i'm interested in an actual debate/conversation. Do you think it would be fair that in case a) the family gets punished, whereas in case b), they don't? It's a tough one. I'm also not sure how I feel about punishing a family because of one individual. How far wide would we cast the net. Cousins? Grandparents? How about if they had a brother/sister with a new born child, who is now British?
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Thank you, :thup: I thought it was just me.
You just don't get it do you...I've clearly stated, and as SocketRocket has underlined also, those (everyone) who have migrated here are only afforded a provisional/temporary visa style passport, they never achieve a full British citizenship, as such if any of them, whether first or second generation become actively involved in terrorist activities then then all go back to where they came from, or in other words, there true nationality and place of birth.
I don't care if the parents have given birth to someone in Britain and that now gives some kind of free pass to British citizenship which allows them to be a trojan horse style terrorist, we plug that gap now. So, as the parents are only on temporary passports the children born here are not fully fledged british citizens and as such if they become active in acts against the country, they, along with their parents, other sisters, brothers the whole shooting match are offloaded.
Maybe, just maybe if there are family members that are not of the same thinking as some of the jihadist style family members, you can break the ranks and gain important information from them and stop some atrocities.
If we have a person from the west country or anywhere like you describe, then he/she simply falls under our own judicial laws and is jailed for life with no opportunity of parole, life means life.
I don't care about all the reasons why it can't work, it's easy to come up with loads of excuses why things won't work in any situation, it's far more productive and beneficial to find reasons to make things work, why, because if you keep doing what you're doing you'll keep getting what you're getting, bombs and mass loss of life, and with the homegrown trojan horse style terrorists something has to change as I don't accept that just more resources will stop it, it has to be a far more radical change.
Get it......
chrisd
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No bad plan Fish.
Some people will just not get that it isn't too difficult to do
Some people will just not get that it isn't too difficult to do
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Someone born in the U.K. Is a British Citizen by birth right - it's a simple as that , you can't suddenly decide to stop giving that right just because their family moved to the UK from a Middle East country - that's clearly a racist policy based on their religion. Would you treat someone Australia who was a Muslim the same ? Someone from the US the same.
And you can't punish multiple innocent people on the act of one person just because they are related. Someone who is born in this country their place of birth is Uk and their nationality is UK.
And you can't punish multiple innocent people on the act of one person just because they are related. Someone who is born in this country their place of birth is Uk and their nationality is UK.
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No one is disagreeing or not getting the point about the immigrant and temporary passports.
What about the person who is British and family has always been British for hundreds of years?
Your passport idea and sending them home idea doesn't work, his family are home.
I agree, but I think that as is often the case when one person does the deed. Many other people are aware of it.
Id like to think that if a sibling or parent of mine suddenly became infatuated with something I'd be able to notice. If they started to rant violently about something and I felt something was wrong I would talk to someone.
Maybe if families know that they will all be deported then they would say something. I don't think it would work as a deterrent to the person committing the act. But maybe, even if it's only a slight chance. Maybe a family member would speak up, knowing that their way of life could be massively changed if they didn't.
On thing I will say re their place of birth though. And it may just be the 100's of drivers I see at work daily.
But it if you ask them where they are from. Their response is Muslim (they're predominantly Turkish). They don't relate to nationality the same as others as they see their religion as all incompassing. And this ideology is what makes some so fanatical. So this idea that they have any sort of pride of being a British citizen is false imo.
And whilst im all for multicultural society. I firmly believe. Anyone choosing to live in England should learn English within 5 years. Then they should be signed off and accepted. That goes for everyone.
He has answered that. Any British national is treated by our system. Family is left alone. While that may seem harsh, if its made a condition for people when they choose to move here. Then that's their choice. Accept their may be repercussions. Or don't move here. People may not agree with it. But think Fish has made it clear what he thinks.
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So a 2 pronged approach, different rules based on ancestry.
Were's the deterrent for those then?
I don't have the answers. I'm just clarifying what was said.
But, many countries have rules for migration now. Or rules to abide by when you get there. From a purely financial POV. How much does it cost to imprison someone? So if they have immigrated here the. Why would we want to pay to keep them in these shores. So yeah. Send em back wherever.
It wont stop homegrown terrorism. But if it stops one attack from legalised citizen then I'm happy to offend someone's feelings.
