Manchester Terrorist Attack!

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

100% agree and through finances at them to do it, if the government publicly came out and said we need to raise tax 1% to put more cops and armed units in the street I'd happily pay it.

Given lots of these PC rules are enforced by he EU (European court of justice etc) surely Brexit (apologies for bringing this in but it's relevant) can help us in some way.

I don't believe in deportation en masse but we need to have something to bring these people into line. Like I said earlier Guinard, it could be our version of Guantanamo.

Gruinard? Methinks the Scottish Government might have something to say about that

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I don't have the answers. I'm just clarifying what was said.

But, many countries have rules for migration now. Or rules to abide by when you get there. From a purely financial POV. How much does it cost to imprison someone? So if they have immigrated here the. Why would we want to pay to keep them in these shores. So yeah. Send em back wherever.

It wont stop homegrown terrorism. But if it stops one attack from legalised citizen then I'm happy to offend someone's feelings.

I've stated a few times I agree in principle with what Fish has said, asking a question or discussing it doesn't mean someone is against it or will be offended.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The bottom line is we are not going to defeat terrorism with the laws we currently have in place so we either accept and live with terrorism or we change the laws.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I know that this will be an unfashionable, and for many an irrelevant, observation - but as a Christian living in what purports to be a Christian country with values and laws based upon Christian principles - I am hearing quite a lot of rather un-Christian views and attitudes here.

Of course this is a very difficult and painful issue - and there is no easy, or indeed probably no difficult, obvious solution - but I simply fear that some of the 'solutions' being suggested would simply exacerbate an already complex and divisive situation - and that is not good for our country and how we would be perceived by the RoW.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The bottom line is we are not going to defeat terrorism with the laws we currently have in place so we either accept and live with terrorism or we change the laws.

But we change them properly and thought out, not knee jerked and then spend the next 10 years spending millions on appeals and compensation, money that could be spent better elsewhere.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The bottom line is we are not going to defeat terrorism with the laws we currently have in place so we either accept and live with terrorism or we change the laws.

A change in laws won't stop terrorism - they will always find a way around any law created , they don't care. I don't believe you can ever get rid of terrorists whatever laws are changed.

You can create laws making it harder for people to be citizens but it must be applicable to all not just certain ethnics - we want to live in a fairer safer society so that means all laws must be level for all.

 

[Papas1982]

I've stated a few times I agree in principle with what Fish has said, asking a question or discussing it doesn't mean someone is against it or will be offended.

I may have been misinterpreted. I was t saying you were the one offended. I was just accepting that the point I made would obviously cause outraged with the professionally offended.....

 

[Papas1982]

I know that this will be an unfashionable, and for many an irrelevant, observation - but as a Christian living in what purports to be a Christian country with values and laws based upon Christian principles - I am hearing quite a lot of rather un-Christian views and attitudes here.

Of course this is a very difficult and painful issue - and there is no easy, or indeed probably no difficult, obvious solution - but I simply fear that some of the 'solutions' being suggested would simply exacerbate an already complex and divisive situation - and that is not good for our country and how we would be perceived by the RoW.

And this is why religion has no place in the modern world.

Why on earth should we make all our choice based on Christian views? If we stick to the principles then there are plenty of bigoted views we would have to take.

Laws should be done with the best interests of the public in order.

Religion doesn't have the same control of society as it used to. Lots of People make their own morale judgements based on their views and perceptions. And any POV shared that "isn't Christian" is as valid as any other.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

And this is why religion has no place in the modern world.

You might not think so but millions if not billions of people think it does.

 

[Papas1982]

You might not think so but millions if not billions of people think it does.

I meant to say in modern law.

I have no problem people choosing a religion to govern their daily lives. But it shouldn't be used as law. Or used by religious people to claim some sort of morale outrage.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

All this liberal softly softly guff is exactly why we're in this mess.... I'm glad some people on here can see sense and see we need action.

I really hope those in power are actually planning on doing something about this....if it were left to the likes of some on here we'll be in this exact same position 2-5-10 years from now mourning our loved ones, wondering why on earth we're still being attacked and why nothing has been done about it.....but careful, dont offend anyone while we're fixing it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

All this liberal softly softly guff is exactly why we're in this mess.... I'm glad some people on here can see sense and see we need action.

I really hope those in power are actually planning on doing something about this....if it were left to the likes of some on here we'll be in this exact same position 2-5-10 years from now mourning our loved ones, wondering why on earth we're still being attacked and why nothing has been done about it.....but careful, dont offend anyone while we're fixing it.

What "action" would you like to see and can you also show how it will stop terrorist attacks in this country ?

All this "liberal soft etc" stuff isn't why we are in the mess.

I reckon those in power are planning nothing like what has been discussed on here in terms of the radical ideas

 

[TheDiablo]

100% agree and through finances at them to do it, if the government publicly came out and said we need to raise tax 1% to put more cops and armed units in the street I'd happily pay it.

Given lots of these PC rules are enforced by he EU (European court of justice etc) surely Brexit (apologies for bringing this in but it's relevant) can help us in some way.

I don't believe in deportation en masse but we need to have something to bring these people into line. Like I said earlier Guinard, it could be our version of Guantanamo.

which is precisely why Brexit is utterly terrifying! At what point does this idea stop? Answer - it doesnt until you have an extremist government in place and no overarching legislation to keep them in check.

 

[Region3]

I'm fed up with the apparent need to consider everyone's feelings and fear of offending anyone when trying to deal with these situations.

22 people died earlier this week. I don't give a stuff if dozens/hundreds/thousands of people are offended or inconvenienced by the solution.

 

[Crazyface]

I'm fed up with the apparent need to consider everyone's feelings and fear of offending anyone when trying to deal with these situations.

22 people died earlier this week. I don't give a stuff if dozens/hundreds/thousands of people are offended or inconvenienced by the solution.

and me too

 

[FairwayDodger]

I reckon those in power are planning nothing like what has been discussed on here in terms of the radical ideas

Absolutely because for all their flaws they're not stupid. And you'd have to be stupid to adopt policies that would only make the situation worse.

Our country is what it is because we believe in the rule of law and human rights and we stand up and defend that even when it might seem expedient to do otherwise.

If they make us change our principles, our way of life the terrorists will have won.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

which is precisely why Brexit is utterly terrifying! At what point does this idea stop? Answer - it doesnt until you have an extremist government in place and no overarching legislation to keep them in check.

Do you seriously think that just because we are leaving the EU the British government will suddenly become some kind of extreme dictatorship?? You think the EU keeps us in check??

 

[TheDiablo]

Do you seriously think that just because we are leaving the EU the British government will suddenly become some kind of extreme dictatorship?? You think the EU keeps us in check??

of course not, and I haven't said that - you're reading between lines and making incorrect assumptions (shock!)

But you haven't got to look too far back in history to see the social circumstances that lead to extremist governments getting elected - and then without legislation from a higher power any government would be free to implement whatever extremist legislation they please - again a quick look back into a history book would demonstrate this, and from some of the ridiculous posts on here they'd gain a worrying level of support!!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

of course not, and I haven't said that - you're reading between lines and making incorrect assumptions (shock!)

But you haven't got to look too far back in history to see the social circumstances that lead to extremist governments getting elected - and then without legislation from a higher power any government would be free to implement whatever extremist legislation they please - again a quick look back into a history book would demonstrate this, and from some of the ridiculous posts on here they'd gain a worrying level of support!!

The way your post came across I read it as that is what you were implying. If that is not the case then why is Brexit terrifying?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

All this liberal softly softly guff is exactly why we're in this mess.... I'm glad some people on here can see sense and see we need action.

I really hope those in power are actually planning on doing something about this....if it were left to the likes of some on here we'll be in this exact same position 2-5-10 years from now mourning our loved ones, wondering why on earth we're still being attacked and why nothing has been done about it.....but careful, dont offend anyone while we're fixing it.

Yet you fail to tell us what you are doing or have done about this threat and what action you advocate