Manchester Terrorist Attack!

[SocketRocket]

What remove the sons and daughters passports just because the father had left ?

I don't believe he went for a holiday. As Fish suggested a temporary passport would be a good solution where it can be withdrawn for the whole family if they break the residency conditions. If the Son had been deported it would have done us all a favor.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't believe he went for a holiday. As Fish suggested a temporary passport would be a good solution where it can be withdrawn for the whole family if they break the residency conditions.

The children are British born and bred - you can't give someone a " temporary" passport when born to people living in this country based on the ancestors- that's called judging someone based on their nationality i.e. Pretty much racism.

Where exactly are you going to deport the son ?! He is British

 

[SocketRocket]

The children are British born and bred - you can't give someone a " temporary" passport when born to people living in this country based on the ancestors- that's called judging someone based on their nationality i.e. Pretty much racism.

Where exactly are you going to deport the son ?! He is British

You can if you wanted to. Read Fish's post he explained it very well. He suggested a temporary passport for anyone coming to live in the UK, if they were to break the terms and conditions then the passport would be taken away along with their citizenship. I can see that this would be a problem after the second generation though.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I believe his Father had returned to Libya to fight there so his family should have been returned with him.

Has he been interviewed in Libya? I heard earlier that he has been telling media that he has not yet been interviewed in connection with the atrocity

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Maybe the solution is for the UK not to meddle in the affairs of other countries and just worry about our own problems?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The only answer as far as I can see is to have the trust of all communities to report those in the community that they know to be doing or planning wrong. Because the individuals in any community are the authorities eyes and ears on the ground,

And yet this does not happen in many 'indigenous' communities - where clyping on miscreants in your own community is frowned upon by many in that community. The ethnic minority communities have to feel responsible to the wider UK public for them to inform the authorities, or they won't. That means 'they' must feel 'us'. And that will not happen if we see 'them' as distinctly separate and different - when we need to accept that what makes those communities distinct as part of the wider UK, is no different than what makes a Geordie different from someone from the Home Counties - or a crofter in the western isles.

Unfortunately it is but a fact that much of the rhetoric around Brexit will end up highlighting and playing on the differences between communities and individuals in them - and the similarities are lost. And it the similarities between communities that bind us together as citizens of the UK and that makes 'them' - 'us'.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Maybe the solution is for the UK not to meddle in the affairs of other countries and just worry about our own problems?

So we do not lobby Saudi Arabia to clamp down on support of Daesh terrorism, and if no evidence of that being done is forthcoming we do not threaten sanctions. Because that is interfering in the affairs of other countries...?

Or we let North Korea continue it's merry way developing a long range nuclear warhead missile capability. Nothing to do with us you say?

Our own problems are relatively insignificant

 

[Junior]

What I'd like to know is this........5 people have been arrested in association with the attack. What information do they have now, and what intel have they been able to obtain in te last 24 hours , that they did not have 48 hours ago?

Im sure there is a lot we don't know about.....but more needs to be one to stop these terrorists. Now more than ever.

 

[bobmac]

is no different than what makes a Geordie different from someone from the Home Counties - or a crofter in the western isles.

Except a Geordie and a crofter in the western isles don't want to murder the children of people living in the Home Counties

Unfortunately it is but a fact that much of the rhetoric around Brexit

I cannot believe you have brought Brexit into this.

Our own problems are relatively insignificant

Try telling that to the parents and friends of the children who were murdered under the name of Islam.

And to those who believed it was a 'lone wolf', watch this video and tell me how many lone wolves you can count.

[video=youtube;tEHUmrKcmlE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEHUmrKcmlE[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

The only answer as far as I can see is to have the trust of all communities to report those in the community that they know to be doing or planning wrong. Because the individuals in any community are the authorities eyes and ears on the ground,

And yet this does not happen in many 'indigenous' communities - where clyping on miscreants in your own community is frowned upon by many in that community. The ethnic minority communities have to feel responsible to the wider UK public for them to inform the authorities, or they won't. That means 'they' must feel 'us'. And that will not happen if we see 'them' as distinctly separate and different - when we need to accept that what makes those communities distinct as part of the wider UK, is no different than what makes a Geordie different from someone from the Home Counties - or a crofter in the western isles.

Unfortunately it is but a fact that much of the rhetoric around Brexit will end up highlighting and playing on the differences between communities and individuals in them - and the similarities are lost. And it the similarities between communities that bind us together as citizens of the UK and that makes 'them' - 'us'.

Your talk of communities is exactly whats wrong, we should be a Britiah community not fragmented groups depending on what our religious beliefs are. Religion needs to be removed from communities and everyone should consider themselves British citizens.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can if you wanted to. Read Fish's post he explained it very well. He suggested a temporary passport for anyone coming to live in the UK, if they were to break the terms and conditions then the passport would be taken away along with their citizenship. I can see that this would be a problem after the second generation though.

The bomber didn't come and live here though - he was born here , he is a British Citizen by birth - that cannot be removed by law

 

[Slime]

The bomber didn't come and live here though - he was born here , he is a British Citizen by birth - that cannot be removed by law

My first wife was born in Africa, she wasn't an African, she was English.

 

[Papas1982]

Sorry but the actions that cause havoc and chaos are restricted to the minority to suggest otherwise is clearly wrong

There is nothing wrong in having different beliefs to others - it's what makes us all different

Just read your other post and ban Islam and Muslims ?!? Do you suggest the same for any areas of Christianity that have caused issues ? Ban religion based on the minority who try and twist the teachings to justify their actions

Try rereading my post. I didn't say we should. In fact i said i didn't think i twas the answer. I merely suggested that people may wish to discuss it.

The actions of havoc i presume you mean the terrorism.

So what if you go to saudi arabia and try and preach christianity? Will you be allowed to do so freely as you can here with other beliefs.

My thoughts on religion are that they are all as pointless as one another. But if other countries can outlaw religions, would it be a stretch to imagine our country doing the same?

 

[Papas1982]

Yes, because that will not inflame the situation, introduce further division into an country already doing its best to tear itself apart and act as a recruiting tool for potential fundamentalists will it.

I didnt say we should.

But i also don't think that the country is tearing itself apart either,.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Try rereading my post. I didn't say we should. In fact i said i didn't think i twas the answer. I merely suggested that people may wish to discuss it.

The actions of havoc i presume you mean the terrorism.

So what if you go to saudi arabia and try and preach christianity? Will you be allowed to do so freely as you can here with other beliefs.

My thoughts on religion are that they are all as pointless as one another. But if other countries can outlaw religions, would it be a stretch to imagine our country doing the same?

Yes its a bit stretch and it isnt going to happen, I agree with Socket, we need to fully integrate all people of all ethnic backgrounds into society, some towns have turned almost into ghettos , which cant be good

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes its a bit stretch and it isnt going to happen, I agree with Socket, we need to fully integrate all people of all ethnic backgrounds into society, some towns have turned almost into ghettos , which cant be good

You can't force people to integrate - people have been creating their own societies within towns and cities for decades regardless of religion or ethnics.

 

[Fish]

The bomber didn't come and live here though - he was born here , he is a British Citizen by birth - that cannot be removed by law

Change the law!

It seems we're quite happy to keep the status quo and yet home grown terrorists are definitely on the rise, and as such something needs to be changed to stop the root problem, otherwise it's just window dressing.

When you have a problem of this or any magnitude you identify the key factor, that currently is the 'he was born here' so he's British born and we can't go anything!

Well we need to!

If you have a family like his who came from Libya they would only have temporary passports and citizenship. It is these parents that are also the problem as the 'British born' child is radicalised by them, and they, along with cells from their home country which he had visited and over here exploit this Trojan horse to carry out the heinous act like we have just witnessed.

I don't care how unfair it sounds, we have to protect our way of life, that now means radical change in our laws do that any family member that is subject to a temporary passport and carries out an act of terrorism, the whole lot go back to the parents country of origin from whence they came.

It wouldn't surprise me if this 'British born' terrorist had dual nationality, I don't understand this personally, if you want to be a British citizen then you should wave any previous nationality orcang bg association and hold just 1 passport.

The whole passport and right to citizenship needs addressing as I don't accept this 'he was born here there's nothing we can do' scenario, if that is the case now, then change it, we must kill the core issue that is being exploited.

 

[Papas1982]

Yes its a bit stretch and it isnt going to happen, I agree with Socket, we need to fully integrate all people of all ethnic backgrounds into society, some towns have turned almost into ghettos , which cant be good

How do we go about that though?

I've seen quite a few releases from religious leaders themselves saying they need to do more. But you can't force ethnic minorities to mix. If suddenly people were rehoused calls of racism and profiling would ring out. People now come to live here and settle in certain parts of certain towns with no inclinations to grow as part of a current society.

They form their own and try to coexist.

 

[Val]

The children are British born and bred - you can't give someone a " temporary" passport when born to people living in this country based on the ancestors- that's called judging someone based on their nationality i.e. Pretty much racism.

Where exactly are you going to deport the son ?! He is British

If you can't send him to the country of his parents birth then jail him.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you can't send him to the country of his parents birth then jail him.

Exactly - he is a British citizen by right , no different to anyone else born in this country.
If he is seen to break our laws he is then convicted and punished under those laws.