Manchester Terrorist Attack!

[Deleted member 16999]

Maybe because we are appalled at what someone has done, almost certainly, in the name of religion. I accept we have to be tolerant to law abiding and fair people of other beliefs but I share others views that if you come to our country, or were born here, you MUST accept OUR values and way of life and do nothing to disrupt it.

As much as I'd like to hang every terrorist from the nearest tree, I have to disagree with your MUST and OUR point, we have plenty of white anglo saxon scum who don't do that.

 

[chrisd]

done in the name of a belief - an warped interpretation - encouraged by Saudi Arabia - not in the name of a religion.

And what are our values? Intolerance?

In the name of religion as far as the the perpetrators are concerned as well as their supporter's

Our values, no, not intolerance, frustration I'd say, as we just have to say that they won't win and then wait for the next outrage!

 

[chrisd]

As much as I'd like to hang every terrorist from the nearest tree, I have to disagree with your MUST and OUR point, we have plenty of white anglo saxon scum who don't do that.

Not too many kill children at a pop concert though

 

[Kellfire]

Not too many kill children at a pop concert though

Now we're selective in what crimes matter, are we? And you're seemingly basing it on the colour of their skin. Interesting.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In the name of religion as far as the the perpetrators are concerned as well as their supporter's

Our values, no, not intolerance, frustration I'd say, as we just have to say that they won't win and then wait for the next outrage!

We are not waiting - we are vigilant - and our security organisations are not waiting - they are very active working to prevent such atrocities. Planes crash - people die on motorways (five on the M6 early yesterday morning ); we do not stop flying - we do not stop driving on motorways.

We as the public do what we can by being vigilant, working with and forming friendships with the those from the minority communities whenever possible. And we trust in the security organisations to do their bit.

We cannot - must not - take actions that alienate those we have to do our very best - without resentment or fear - to integrate with and befriend, we cannot turn away; shun, and stigmatise these communities. For in doing so we will simply end up dividing our towns, cities and our nation with outcomes we will struggle to control.

 

[bobmac]

We cannot - must not - take actions that alienate those we have to do our very best - without resentment or fear - to integrate with and befriend, we cannot turn away; shun, and stigmatise these communities. For in doing so we will simply end up dividing our towns, cities and our nation with outcomes we will struggle to control.

No-one wants to alienate these communities, people just want to alienate the child murderers.
It should be the responsibility of the community leaders to gives up these people to the police.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Now we're selective in what crimes matter, are we? And you're seemingly basing it on the colour of their skin. Interesting.

Pretty stupid comment in my opinion.

 

[chrisd]

Now we're selective in what crimes matter, are we? And you're seemingly basing it on the colour of their skin. Interesting.

all countries have residents who commit crimes and they ALL matter, I have never referred to anyones colour

 

[chrisd]

We are not waiting - we are vigilant - and our security organisations are not waiting - they are very active working to prevent such atrocities. Planes crash - people die on motorways (five on the M6 early yesterday morning ); we do not stop flying - we do not stop driving on motorways.

We as the public do what we can by being vigilant, working with and forming friendships with the those from the minority communities whenever possible. And we trust in the security organisations to do their bit.

We cannot - must not - take actions that alienate those we have to do our very best - without resentment or fear - to integrate with and befriend, we cannot turn away; shun, and stigmatise these communities. For in doing so we will simply end up dividing our towns, cities and our nation with outcomes we will struggle to control.

We ARE waiting, sadly there will be another, then another. Yes, we need to work with those communities who spawn terrorists but they need to report them, stop them, deradicalise them, stop the preachers of hate.

 

[HowlingGale]

In regards to the Irish point - do you not think it's valid ? Over the last 4 decades white Christian Irishmen and ladies have killed British people both home and abroad - none of the suggestions been made were ever pointed towards the Irish ? Why not

Most of these atrocities happened years ago before the internet or social media. How do you know this point wasn't raised in pubs and clubs around the country at the time? I remember my old BB captain saying somthing like this about it but I was too young to understand.

 

[SocketRocket]

Now we're selective in what crimes matter, are we? And you're seemingly basing it on the colour of their skin. Interesting.

That's a very silly post. Who has mentioned skin colour, Muslims come in all shades. All crimes matter but mass murder matters quite a lot.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not too many kill children at a pop concert though

Stephen Gray, Ex-RAF currently serving a prison sentence for joining isis,

 

[chrisd]

Stephen Gray, Ex-RAF currently serving a prison sentence for joining isis,

Come on Paul, i didn't say no one from GB haven't done wrong

 

[SocketRocket]

I would actually prefer the UK to not be defined by any single religion or belief.

And what's wrong with someone from Asia supporting Pakistan ? Is that any different from people who are now British supporting Australia or indeed pick any country.

And "these people" is rather generic , surely you just mean the small minority of fundamentalists?

What exactly does that mean?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Can I just say there is a lot of work done in schools under the prevent initiative to tackle radicalisation. I know it is not a knee jerk reaction mostly done to garner favourable headlines in The Daily Mail. But it is one of I imagine many things going on that are not immediately obvious to people to tackle this problem through a systematic long lasting strategy .

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Come on Paul, i didn't say no one from GB haven't done wrong

Of course you didn't and I'm not suggesting you would, my point is, not all the terrorists are immigrants or come from immigrant families, some don't attend mosques so we can't put all the responsibility on ethnic communities coming forward and spotting all the troublemakers.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What exactly does that mean?

It means exactly the same as a person born in England of Scottish or Irish heritage choosing to support Scotland or Ireland in the rugby or football.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What exactly does that mean?

It means that some people with ancestry going back to Pakistan may prefer to support the Pakistan cricket team as opposed to the England cricket team - shall they be kicked out as well

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

It means that some people with ancestry going back to Pakistan may prefer to support the Pakistan cricket team as opposed to the England cricket team - shall they be kicked out as well

Well it's a bit radical but if that law was introduced maybe these terrorists would think twice if their actions were going to have a direct effect on the lives of their family!

 

[Kellfire]

all countries have residents who commit crimes and they ALL matter, I have never referred to anyones colour

That's a very silly post. Who has mentioned skin colour, Muslims come in all shades. All crimes matter but mass murder matters quite a lot.

Pauldj42 - "we have plenty of white anglo saxon scum who don't do that."

chrisd - "Not too many kill children at a pop concert though"

Right there - accepting that "white anglo saxon scum" exist but clearly making light of their crimes if they aren't killing children at a pop concert