late for tee time

[sawtooth]

I had a situation recently where we had a 3 ball booked and we arrived in good time for our slot. A 4-ball group got there just ahead of us and we politely asked what time they were, they had a slot some 20 mins earlier and were obviously late.

What do you do?

Step aside and let them play?

or

Say sorry you're late and we're on time let us go?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

They should have reported to the pro shop and let them sort it out, not pushed you back. If there was a free time later then they could have slotted in, if not they have missed their chance.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The latter. Apart from anything else as a 3 ball you'll be quicker anyway

 

[James' Slice]

With you being in a 3 ball and them in a 4 ball I'd have thought they should have let you play first regardless of who is on time because you'd assume that your group would be quicker ? But answering your question if I was there on time I'd expect to be teeing off on time so would ask them to let me through

 

[rosecott]

Just being pedantic - situation normal - if it was a comp, they are disqualified.

 

[bladeplayer]

Tell them your the captain & just barge through , time irrelevent then .. jobs oxo :thup:

 

[duncan mackie]

Just being pedantic - situation normal - if it was a comp, they are disqualified.

:thup:

 

[connor]

make them wait! I got there on time i booked my time i will tee off on time or pretty damn close.
I forgot my golf shoes once got them dropped down to be missed my tee slot my 7mins ended up almost 40mins later before i got away but ive learnt my lesson and never forgot them since!

only way i would give way would be if requested by a club personel but then i would qurey the fact of it being a 4ball and me in a 3.

 

[pbrown7582]

i dont think the factn they are a 4 and you are in 3 comes into it personally, unless they lose a hole to the group in front its irrelevant but there is no way they should just proceed to the tee 20 mins late without checking in the pro shop so i would of expected to go on time.

 

[Foxholer]

i dont think the factn they are a 4 and you are in 3 comes into it personally, unless they lose a hole to the group in front its irrelevant

Wrong!

Here's the text from the Pace of Play part of the Etiquette division of The Rules:



It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.


And as a 'single' is also defined as a Group, you should let a Single through too.

 

[pbrown7582]

Wrong!
Here's the text from the Pace of Play part of the Etiquette division of The Rules:
It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group. Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through.
And as a 'single' is also defined as a Group, you should let a Single through too.

Appreciate that but is it apparent and a given that stood on the first tee you can be sure a 3 will be quicker than a 4 most times yes probaly 8/10 so can accept this but it's not guaranteed.

 

[Foxholer]

Appreciate that but is it apparent and a given that stood on the first tee you can be sure a 3 will be quicker than a 4 most times yes probaly 8/10 so can accept this but it's not guaranteed.

True. But you said that 'unless they lose a hole to the group in front its irrelevant'. That's what's wrong. As long as they are faster - even when a 3 is being held up by a 2 - they should be let through.

And just for clarity, it's when they are faster, not when they come up behind - as the 'problem' may not be that group.

Also, there's a difference between 'lose a hole' and 'out of position'. Too often those terms are deemed to be the same, which can cause friction between groups. The classic is to consider a group as having lost a hole when, on a par 3 or 4, the group in front are on the next tee when a following group arrives at the par 3 or 4 tee (ie. the hole is clear). That is merely out of position - and can be caught up within a hole or 2. To be in a state of 'lost a hole' the group in front would need to be playing their 2nd shots on their hole.

 

[pbrown7582]

Agreed