chippa1909
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He was interviewed on Newsnight where he said the murderer shouted about Britain First. 
Labour MP shot in Yorkshire
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bobmac
Major Champion
Does it matter who said what?
A tragic waste of a life
A tragic waste of a life
gmc40
Head Pro
Of course it does as it helps explain a motive.
You're insinuating it is in some way disrespectful, it isn't. What has happened is terrible and a young woman has lost her life and left a young family and husband behind and that is horrendous but there is nothing wrong with people wanting to know why?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I stole this from twitter but I think it sums up for me what is happening on both sides of the Atlantic and on both sides of the political spectrum. Dark times.
I would gently suggest that some of those who indulge in politics as a sport, as a vehicle for narcissistic ambition, as a way to toy with the emotions and vulnerabilities of other human beings, need to take a hard look at themselves and the utter *&^%$^ hell they've spawned.
And if anything good comes from this tragic event it may be that we just take a step back before we end up with political debate like the US. Even if this shooting was nothing to do with politics and she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, we still need to take a long hard look at ourselves.
I would gently suggest that some of those who indulge in politics as a sport, as a vehicle for narcissistic ambition, as a way to toy with the emotions and vulnerabilities of other human beings, need to take a hard look at themselves and the utter *&^%$^ hell they've spawned.
And if anything good comes from this tragic event it may be that we just take a step back before we end up with political debate like the US. Even if this shooting was nothing to do with politics and she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, we still need to take a long hard look at ourselves.
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Crazyface
Tour Winner
Shocking news. You sort of expect it in the USA but not here. Just where did a random guy get a gun from?
bobmac
Major Champion
I'm sure we'll get the facts when they are known
gmc40
Head Pro
I'm sure we will but whilst it is being reported in the news people will discuss it and there's nothing wrong with that. This is no different to other similar cases in that respect so not sure why you felt the need to take the moral high ground?
Anyway, off to work!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
As the man has had a mental condition for many years as reported by the police, he could shout what he likes and it wont come up with a real motive.
chippa1909
Head Pro
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
A tragic and depressing set of events.
I can't believe people are bickering over the circumstances of how a good woman has been killed by a vile moron.
I can't believe people are bickering over the circumstances of how a good woman has been killed by a vile moron.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Whilst I agree that bickering is slightly classless, the way this is being reported does show a significant difference in the way that the Media reports these situations..
I'm not really interested in speculating as to the motives though. It should be enough to state that a decent woman was murdered purely for standing up for her beliefs.. A tragic waste of a life, and a horrible loss for her family.. RIP..
Hickory_Hacker
Q-School Graduate
Personally I had never heard of her but she's certainly getting iconic status on Radio 2.
Russ_D
Club Champion
Agree, shocking news. I work in Leeds and many of my colleagues are from the Birstall area so have had contact with her. They were all very shocked as you can expect.
Apparently th gun he used was home made so this was obviously a planned an pre-meditated (and cowardly) attack. Just cant get my head round why someone would do it???
sawtooth
Tour Winner
Or a sick man?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Conservatives, Lib Dems and UKIP have all stated today that they won't be putting forwards candidates for the resulting by election. No matter which party you support that has got to be the correct decision.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
That long hard look is that some people have mental health issues. Every person with an ounce of humanity will agonise for the death of this lovely woman but suggesting 'we need to take a long hard look at ourselves' is not fair as we do not support such actions and have no control over individuals that see the world in a complete different way. Maybe you could reflect on your post and take a different view that does not detract from the horror of the situation.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
That's not a good link.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Any why is not fair that we as a society have a look at ourselves? Society cannot devolve any responsibility by just saying 'we do not support what this person did and as they are mentally ill then hey, what can you do'?
Of course you cannot control the actions of someone who is mentality Ill enough to do something like this. But in addition to better care of the mentally ill, you can look at the society that these people exist in, whether it be a culture of easy access to guns, a culture of religious intolerance and fundamentalism or a culture of promoting fear hatred by the media and by both sides in political debates. There is a hell of a lot of mental illness in society at some level.
Mentally ill people do not live in a bubble, they are exposed to society and will absorp this as much as anyone else who listens to politicians fear mongering, reads the papers, listens to the radio, goes on social media. I am not suggesting there was one single trigger for what happened. But I imagine most people who commit atrocities like this have some mental issues and just using that as a reason for why they do this without looking at the environment they live in is IMHO a bit naive.
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