Killing rollups has hurt golf

[PaulMdj]

No

And a senior rollup with 40+ people is not a good reason?

Nope, all ready got your money.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

An important distinction in what I have been saying here is the use of the word “opportunity”. I didn’t play today because I could only play between 10 an 11 this morning due to prior commitments, I was a tad late in going to BRS and so missed out. But I had the OPPORTUNITY to get a suitable time.

Rollups seem to want to work on a guarantee rather than opportunity.

I think this is where my place has found the right balance. The tee times are out aside for the roll up but if you and your pals want to go out as a 4 ball during that time you’re welcome to nobody stops you and you don’t have to be part of the roll up. So effectively there isn’t closed to anyone member or guest , you just have the option to chuck a couple of quid in and play the roll up during that time, if you don’t then you can go out in your 2/3 or 4 ball and just have your regular game with you mates.

 

[Mandofred]

A county comp is your go to for this? NowI’m definitely oot. With a capital OOT.

Did you enquire about any reciprocals?

Yes. But why drive 30+ min to another course when I can't drive a short distance to course I have paid pretty decent amount of money to play at?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

As.....do all the other events I have mentioned. I can't play tomorrow at the closest course because of county womens comp.....they "quarantee" that time for this comp. I can't play.....unfair?

Wow so your complaint is you can’t play when a county event is on. How dare the club bring in revenue a top level golfers which is great advertising for the club.

How very dare they

 

[PaulMdj]

Yes. But why drive 30+ min to another course when I can't drive a short distance to course I have paid pretty decent amount of money to play at?

These events should well publicised, and surely you are capable of rearranging your diary for another day, or even arranging a day trying another course free of charge.

 

[Mandofred]

Wow so your complaint is you can’t play when a county event is on. How dare the club bring in revenue a top level golfers which is great advertising for the club.

How very dare they

Now follow that same thinking......the club closest to me has 7-8 Open series. Multiple "business" day events. Multiple "charity" days. There are others.....and it kills off quite a few days of playing golf. Will it put money into the clubs bank accounts? .....yep. Will it stop the people who have payed membership fees to play at their own course.....yes. Is it ok to do that? How many times are ok? 5? 10? what is the number?

 

[Mandofred]

These events should well publicised, and surely you are capable of rearranging your diary for another day, or even arranging a day trying another course free of charge.

Yes. How many days are you prevented from playing at your home course?

 

[PaulMdj]

Yes. How many days are you prevented from playing at your home course?

County events, vary between none and 4 a year.

Ladies Opens, 2

Junior Days, 1

Other Opens, 6, but I can enter them.

 

[PaulMdj]

Now follow that same thinking......the club closest to me has 7-8 Open series. Multiple "business" day events. Multiple "charity" days. There are others.....and it kills off quite a few days of playing golf. Will it put money into the clubs bank accounts? .....yep. Will it stop the people who have payed membership fees to play at their own course.....yes. Is it ok to do that? How many times are ok? 5? 10? what is the number?

Surely you checked this before joining or is all of these events been added in the last few years?

 

[fenwayrich]

Now follow that same thinking......the club closest to me has 7-8 Open series. Multiple "business" day events. Multiple "charity" days. There are others.....and it kills off quite a few days of playing golf. Will it put money into the clubs bank accounts? .....yep. Will it stop the people who have payed membership fees to play at their own course.....yes. Is it ok to do that? How many times are ok? 5? 10? what is the number?

Surely it's up to the club management to decide that based on their review of budgetary requirements, tee utilisation etc, to achieve the best result possible while inconveniencing the least number of members. At my club in summer, a lot of Fridays are taken up at peak times by societies, charity days, Pro-Ams. They generate significant income, and most members are aware that they won't be able to play on those days unless it's early or late. Tuesdays and Thursdays are days when a lot of members play, roll-ups of sort (closed shop in the main though), so booking a society in then would be unpopular and foolish in terms of member happiness.

 

[Mandofred]

Surely you checked this before joining or is all of these events been added in the last few years?

This way of thinking is why I'm going back to my original course. But no.....I don't know of any courses that publish the full list of blocked events at the club before you join......maybe they are out there, but I sure haven't seen it and I've been at 3 different clubs. I really can't see a new member asking about joining and the club stating...."oh, but you can't play 15 days because of events we have scheduled"

 

[Mandofred]

Surely it's up to the club management to decide that based on their review of budgetary requirements, tee utilisation etc, to achieve the best result possible while inconveniencing the least number of members. At my club in summer, a lot of Fridays are taken up at peak times by societies, charity days, Pro-Ams. They generate significant income, and most members are aware that they won't be able to play on those days unless it's early or late. Tuesdays and Thursdays are days when a lot of members play, roll-ups of sort (closed shop in the main though), so booking a society in then would be unpopular and foolish in terms of member happiness.

Fully agree with all you said.

 

[PaulMdj]

This way of thinking is why I'm going back to my original course. But no.....I don't know of any courses that publish the full list of blocked events at the club before you join......maybe they are out there, but I sure haven't seen it and I've been at 3 different clubs. I really can't see a new member asking about joining and the club stating...."oh, but you can't play 15 days because of events we have scheduled"

I could understand a new golfer not knowing what questions to ask, but come on, you’ve been around long enough to know what you should of asked before paying the fee.

Bit confused that you agree with all what @fenwayrich quotes as that is how I imagine 99% of Clubs who have roll ups will operate.

It will also depend on the County your Club is in as our County events are always on the same day of the week.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Now follow that same thinking......the club closest to me has 7-8 Open series. Multiple "business" day events. Multiple "charity" days. There are others.....and it kills off quite a few days of playing golf. Will it put money into the clubs bank accounts? .....yep. Will it stop the people who have payed membership fees to play at their own course.....yes. Is it ok to do that? How many times are ok? 5? 10? what is the number?

Unless I’m incorrect and following this thread you’re a member of 2 clubs or have I misread that! Because if you are then thank yourself lucky you have that privilege and play the other one that day. Many on here struggle to afford one and elsewhere struggle to have one!

Even if it’s 5-10 times there are still enough days in a year to play your golf surely.

 

[irip]

Would you be happy to pay more money for membership to cover the losses the club would suffer from not having these events?
If so then put it to the committee and members

 

[Arthur Wedge]

This way of thinking is why I'm going back to my original course. But no.....I don't know of any courses that publish the full list of blocked events at the club before you join......maybe they are out there, but I sure haven't seen it and I've been at 3 different clubs. I really can't see a new member asking about joining and the club stating...."oh, but you can't play 15 days because of events we have scheduled"

Every single club will have events that block out the tee to help bring in valuable funds


Golf clubs have moved on over the last 5 years and paying members have moved on to wanting to know when they are playing and wanting to play with their friends

 

[Slab]

If the club doesn’t do roll-up and assuming there’s actually sufficient members wishing to have a roll-up; maybe a compromise might be for those members to request several sequential tee times for whatever day but the start times are not likely to be the same every week

So one week the roll up could go off at 9am and next week it might start at 10.20 or even 1pm (or could stay at 9 for a 2nd week)

That way the roll-up players/members get their booked roll up space for their social event and the club still have the flexibility to manage tee times around the roll-up, the rest of the membership and other commercial opportunities that may arise

Win for everyone?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If the club doesn’t do roll-up and assuming there’s actually sufficient members wishing to have a roll-up; maybe a compromise might be for those members to request several sequential tee times for whatever day but the start times are not likely to be the same every week

So one week the roll up could go off at 9am and next week it might start at 10.20 or even 1pm (or could stay at 9 for a 2nd week)

That way the roll-up players/members get their booked roll up space for their social event and the club still have the flexibility to manage tee times around the roll-up, the rest of the membership and other commercial opportunities that may arise

Win for everyone?

Surely the “win” for everyone is that those that want to play in a roll up just between then organise themselves and then book the tee times they want when they open

Pretty much how most clubs work these when a bunch of mates want to play together

 

[irip]

I don’t see why any time needs to be booked for a roll-up.
Surely it’s whoever books that tee time first go and play.
If it happens that 24 people (for example). Want to play a little comp between themselves and they have booked 6 times then that’s what they do.

If someone else gets a tee time between the first and last of this group then they just play but don’t have to enter.

Just means the group are not all out one after the other.

If it’s booked out for a society/county comp or whatever then you just have to suck it up.

Most people I know find a way to work around it and it helps keep membership prices down and brings new people into the club as well as normally putting money behind the bar in food and drink.

 

[Crazyface]

Just adding my two penneth. My place does not allow members to book at all at weekends. It has to be done by the pro. It's a pita. I think this is because there are certain groups who like certain times at weekends, so protect those groups from losing their favourite slots we have to go through the pro. The problem is imo, that all the remaining slots, and there are loads, is that most others can't be bothered to book via the pro and just turn up, so you've no idea if it's gonna be busy or not. Sure you'll get out, but will you have a nice three hours knock or a nightmare waiting on every tee. So slightly different take but I find this annoying.