Killing rollups has hurt golf

[Mandofred]

Just rejoining the course I was first at in 2015. They have made an effort to go with the booking system that all courses are going to.....that's not my point. I LIKE online booking. But, to deal with the killing off of rollups....the same people who usually play at xxx time of the day still try to do so....to varied degrees of success. When I first joined the club it was a happier place.....now, less so. A course I am leaving (30 min drive) has 2 BOOKED rollups on a Wed and Thurs....with anywhere from 30-45 people participating.....rowdy....happy...good times. Granted...the course allows people to go out on the 1st, 15th and 17th holes to get through the first hole in an hour. Who decided that the "right" way to play is booking with just your mates.....and the "wrong" way to play is in a large rollup?

No way I am saying that we need to go back to the days of "put your ball in the shute" golf. Luckily, I didn't have to live through that.

There is a place for organised booked rollups......AND booking with just your mates.

 

[GreiginFife]

The subject of roll-ups is well debated on here. Some (and usually the same) people like them and some (again the same) people don’t like them.

The co-existence of the two scenarios you describe are usually the issues that arise when discussed.

Personally, I despise the “Sunday Sweep” at my club. They get the same tees every Sunday, it’s pretty much a closed shop and when tees are at a premium during winter is not equitable to the rest of the paying membership.

But that’s just me. I’m in favour of first come first served.

 

[Orikoru]

My place hasn't killed roll-ups. There are multiple different ones throughout the week.

 

[PaulMdj]

My current Club has never had roll ups, so has never been an issue.

Previous Club had them, saw both negative and positive aspects of them, positive was when they were used for integrating new members etc, negative was the “closed shop” attitude of others.

Different Clubs do it different ways so I disagree with the title.

 

[Mandofred]

The subject of roll-ups is well debated on here. Some (and usually the same) people like them and some (again the same) people don’t like them.

The co-existence of the two scenarios you describe are usually the issues that arise when discussed.

Personally, I despise the “Sunday Sweep” at my club. They get the same tees every Sunday, it’s pretty much a closed shop and when tees are at a premium during winter is not equitable to the rest of the paying membership.

But that’s just me. I’m in favour of first come first served.

But who decided that that was the "right" way to play? You can use the argument that "I can't book in to play at that time".....well, yes you can. You just have to play in the rollup. Why is the rollup the "wrong" way to play? Why are the people that just want to play with their mates given priority over the people who want to play in rollups? Why is one "better" than the other? Why can't both ways of playing be accommodated for?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

My old place had roll ups but you couldn’t get in them at all as they were a closed shop for the same few so it was a roll up in e only and wasn’t a friendly experience.

New place has 2 a week Tuesday and Friday, tee times are blocked out between 0915-1115 but they’re not booked to individual or groups. It’s basically just a time for the roll up, if you get there in that time you’re invited to go out with whoever is there l to join in and play. Could be a group of men, woman or mixed, you don’t even need to be a member of the club as people paying green fees are invited to join in order to meet people etc (thats how I joined one and was the final tick in the box of being welcomed to me choosing to join the club). Equally if you don’t want to play in the roll up you can still go out at that time with guys and girls playing in it without having to pay into the kitty. Seem to work really well and everyone is welcoming.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Here we go again

Nothing has changed since the time you moaned about roll ups

It’s not “hurting golf” - it’s just hurting how “you” want it to work


People all pay to play at the golf club and all tee times should be open for people to play with who they like when it comes to their social golf

 

[Billysboots]

We don’t have a roll up as such, but on every non competition Saturday the club set aside half a dozen early tee times for us.

The deal is that any new member wanting to get to know others is sent our way. The organiser sends out a WhatsApp ten days in advance, those wanting to play let him know, and if we are not able to fill all six times we return any unused ones to the club by midday Tuesday at the latest.

Works well, we have a hardcore group of about 12-14, with another couple of dozen on the list out of whom we generally fill at least five times.

 

[GreiginFife]

But who decided that that was the "right" way to play? You can use the argument that "I can't book in to play at that time".....well, yes you can. You just have to play in the rollup. Why is the rollup the "wrong" way to play? Why are the people that just want to play with their mates given priority over the people who want to play in rollups? Why is one "better" than the other? Why can't both ways of playing be accommodated for?

I don’t think anyone decided it. But if we all pay the same fees we should all have equal opportunity to the course and the opportunity to play at times that suit us, no?

Neither should be given priority, just equal opportunity.

Not all “roll ups” allow randoms to play in them, not everyone wants to play with strangers, why should they be marginalised?

 

[Mandofred]

Here we go again

Nothing has changed since the time you moaned about roll ups

It’s not “hurting golf” - it’s just hurting how “you” want it to work

And yes....it's hurting how I want to play.....why is one way of playing given the priority?

 

[Mandofred]

I don’t think anyone decided it. But if we all pay the same fees we should all have equal opportunity to the course and the opportunity to play at times that suit us, no?

Neither should be given priority, just equal opportunity.

Not all “roll ups” allow randoms to play in them, not everyone wants to play with strangers, why should they be marginalised?

Why can't you do both? Most of the times for free play......and a certain time for a rollup group? What's wrong with compromise?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Why can't you do both? Most of the times for free play......and a certain time for a rollup group? What's wrong with compromise?

Why not just have all social tee times open for everyone - thats the fairest way possible

First come first serve

 

[Mandofred]

Why not just have all social tee times open for everyone - thats the fairest way possible

First come first serve

Again.......then do away with comps? Visiting groups? Ladies days? etc etc etc......Those days are then "unfair"? If you really want an open tee time for everyone.....there should be NO blocked tee times.....yes?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Again.......then do away with comps? Visiting groups? Ladies days? etc etc etc......Those days are then "unfair"? If you really want an open tee time for everyone.....there should be NO blocked tee times.....yes?

We have got rid of ladies days

The majority of members want to play in comps

Visiting groups are booked in after the members get priority

Swindles sort themselves out

Not one single person has moaned about no roll ups , no one has asked for him



In fact the only person i ever hear moaning about them is you

 

[Mandofred]

We have got rid of ladies days

The majority of members want to play in comps

Visiting groups are booked in after the members get priority

Swindles sort themselves out

Not one single person has moaned about no roll ups , no one has asked for him



In fact the only person i ever hear moaning about them is you

You are such a lovely person....everybody loves you.

 

[Billysboots]

If this gets any more personal expect it to be locked.

 

[Mandofred]

If this gets any more personal expect it to be locked.

Fair enough......

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The subject of roll-ups is well debated on here. Some (and usually the same) people like them and some (again the same) people don’t like them.

The co-existence of the two scenarios you describe are usually the issues that arise when discussed.

Personally, I despise the “Sunday Sweep” at my club. They get the same tees every Sunday, it’s pretty much a closed shop and when tees are at a premium during winter is not equitable to the rest of the paying membership.

But that’s just me. I’m in favour of first come first served.

Covid woke a lot of golf courses up and allowed a lot more to move towards tee time bookings

Our members appear to be more than happy with no longer having to queue up or a long standing group hogging tbe same time every week

Imo tee bookings open to all has helped us decrease our average membership age - people can now plan their golf a lot better

 

[GreiginFife]

Why can't you do both? Most of the times for free play......and a certain time for a rollup group? What's wrong with compromise?

Quite simply if you reserve certain times for one group, by definition, you can’t do both. It’s not a tricky concept. Fairness and equity cannot be delivered where a certain group gets differing treatment.

In reserving specific times for one group over another, you are not compromising.

 

[Mandofred]

Quite simply if you reserve certain times for one group, by definition, you can’t do both. It’s not a tricky concept. Fairness and equity cannot be delivered where a certain group gets differing treatment.

In reserving specific times for one group over another, you are not compromising.

Then why do Ladies days? Junior days? Visiting parties?......you say you can't do both, yet.....they do.