What good can they do in opposition?
Because people on the whole are scared of the bogeyman, the last election came down to Brexit and Labour losing itself.
That is applicable to the left of politics just as much as the right. I would put it to you that politics in this country is no where near right wing.
I don't agree that being in the middle means you are looking after no 1 but I do agree that the people in the middle hold the balance of power in this country. They are the people you need to bring on board. Boris did, Jeremy didn't. To beat Boris next time Labour need a leader that is not a clone of Jeremy or the same will happen again.
How did boris bring them on board?
Boris managed partly to appeal to more people but I think largely Labour put out a manifesto that people did not believe in or thought had credibility. Being 'not Jeremy ' was enough. A better opposition leader could have wiped the floor with him but neither he nor Jo Swinson were up to it.
Genuine question, why should the public have any loyalty to one party ?
For example labour have changed massively over the years(sometimes swinging between elections), that I have been a voter. If you can not see that, then pass.
in 2019, some of the policies they put forward, were just plain mad, bit like old labour of the early 80s(ish guess). They lost my vote on that basis, nothing really to do with tories or JC etc.
I can understand that someone leans more left, but that doesn't mean I would ever support a far left leaning labour party. I would rather vote LDems or another party or not vote at all.
I am one of those floating voters tbh. Get the impression from some people, that some think that is actually wrong and that those people are just voting looking after myself, which is not the way I vote. Policies have to make sense and be workable in the real world.
Loyalty and politics do not go hand in hand. And never understood, why someone will just follow a party/leader, just because due it being called Labour or Cons, LD or SNP, irrelevant of their policies.
yep. all these people asking for middle of the road.. if thats what they wanted why didn't the vote Lib...? simple... the belived the crap sprouted by the tories and the I'm all right jack mentality now prevalant
Just re-read the post and seen your question.Genuine question, why should the public have any loyalty to one party ?
For example labour have changed massively over the years(sometimes swinging between elections), that I have been a voter. If you can not see that, then pass.
in 2019, some of the policies they put forward, were just plain mad, bit like old labour of the early 80s(ish guess). They lost my vote on that basis, nothing really to do with tories or JC etc.
I can understand that someone leans more left, but that doesn't mean I would ever support a far left leaning labour party. I would rather vote LDems or another party or not vote at all.
I am one of those floating voters tbh. Get the impression from some people, that some think that is actually wrong and that those people are just voting looking after myself, which is not the way I vote. Policies have to make sense and be workable in the real world.
Loyalty and politics do not go hand in hand. And never understood, why someone will just follow a party/leader, just because due it being called Labour or Cons, LD or SNP, irrelevant of their policies.
I can't tell you that Boris is better, I can't give you Tory positives. It was the worst election I've ever experienced for the choice to make. I can only tell you what I heard over and over, from interviews on the TV, radio, friends, relatives etc. Jeremy and his policies were a worse option than boris. Boris was the least worst option of the two. That doesn't mean there were positives, just fewer negatives.
Too many saw the LibDem stance on Brexit as anti democratic, keeping the turmoil going on for longer. They should have picked up disaffected labour voters but I think that policy scuppered them.
Which is sort of what I said in post #182.
