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Jeremy Corbyn-Leadership quality?

patricks148 said:
yep. all these people asking for middle of the road.. if thats what they wanted why didn't the vote Lib...? simple... the belived the crap sprouted by the tories and the I'm all right jack mentality now prevalant
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Probably because they didnt buy into the LibDem anti democratic stance on Brexit and their leader was poor.
 
pauldj42 said:
3 Answers above and not one explaining how boris was better for us.

The answer is always (currently) Labour was bad.

Now, I’m not defending how Labour fought the GE or how it needed to get rid of Corbyn, McDonnell etc, it’s just a fact that I see no one defending the tories and telling us all about their positives.
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The lesser of the evils?

I chose not to vote. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for any of them, not even the lesser of the evils, whichever that was for any particular person.
 
Hobbit said:
The lesser of the evils?

I chose not to vote. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for any of them, not even the lesser of the evils, whichever that was for any particular person.
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I, genuinely, don’t know what would be shown on your ballot paper, whether it’s the last place you were registered or just parties.
But I personally don’t believe not voting or spoiling a ballot paper is the right thing to do, so I chose on who best to represent the local area as MP.
 
pauldj42 said:
I, genuinely, don’t know what would be shown on your ballot paper, whether it’s the last place you were registered or just parties.
But I personally don’t believe not voting or spoiling a ballot paper is the right thing to do, so I chose on who best to represent the local area as MP.
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Some say everyone should vote because people fought to get that vote. I reconcile that by thinking they fought for the freedom of choice. Some of those who fought to achieve the vote may think differently to me, and I don't have a problem with that. After all, politics is about the freedom to chose who you want to be represented by. And if there's no one, or no manifesto or party that a person is comfortable with why not a "none of the above" on the ballot paper.

I would like to think that, especially in marginals, parties recognise that a turnout of, say, 60% will mean they know they need to attract those that didn't vote. And apart from the real diehard constituencies most parties must realise that although they were first past the post, less than 50% of voters voted for them.

As for what would show on a ballot paper sent to me here in Spain. I have the right to vote for 15 years after leaving the UK, and it is the constituency I last lived in. In that respect, the "local MP" can't do anything for me other than represent me on national interests. Should I vote when I don't live there? Decisions made in Westminster impact me here, e.g. Brexit and the ongoing trade negotiations. Also, I have children and grandchildren whose futures I care about. However, why should my choices impact on people in the UK. Voting whilst not living there is also an uncomfortable choice.
 
There is a very simple reason why "none of the above" could never appear on a UK election ballot paper.

When "none of the above" wins a landslide victory at the general election, who will run the country...
 
Hobbit said:
Some say everyone should vote because people fought to get that vote. I reconcile that by thinking they fought for the freedom of choice. Some of those who fought to achieve the vote may think differently to me, and I don't have a problem with that. After all, politics is about the freedom to chose who you want to be represented by. And if there's no one, or no manifesto or party that a person is comfortable with why not a "none of the above" on the ballot paper.

I would like to think that, especially in marginals, parties recognise that a turnout of, say, 60% will mean they know they need to attract those that didn't vote. And apart from the real diehard constituencies most parties must realise that although they were first past the post, less than 50% of voters voted for them.

As for what would show on a ballot paper sent to me here in Spain. I have the right to vote for 15 years after leaving the UK, and it is the constituency I last lived in. In that respect, the "local MP" can't do anything for me other than represent me on national interests. Should I vote when I don't live there? Decisions made in Westminster impact me here, e.g. Brexit and the ongoing trade negotiations. Also, I have children and grandchildren whose futures I care about. However, why should my choices impact on people in the UK. Voting whilst not living there is also an uncomfortable choice.
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Like I put, not voting or spoiling a ballot paper doesn’t sit right with me, I fully respect the decision others make, that’s their call.

I have more of an issue with those who simply behave like sheep or believe everything they read in the papers(regardless of political persuasion).
 
Hobbit said:
Some say everyone should vote because people fought to get that vote. I reconcile that by thinking they fought for the freedom of choice. Some of those who fought to achieve the vote may think differently to me, and I don't have a problem with that. After all, politics is about the freedom to chose who you want to be represented by. And if there's no one, or no manifesto or party that a person is comfortable with why not a "none of the above" on the ballot paper.

I would like to think that, especially in marginals, parties recognise that a turnout of, say, 60% will mean they know they need to attract those that didn't vote. And apart from the real diehard constituencies most parties must realise that although they were first past the post, less than 50% of voters voted for them.

As for what would show on a ballot paper sent to me here in Spain. I have the right to vote for 15 years after leaving the UK, and it is the constituency I last lived in. In that respect, the "local MP" can't do anything for me other than represent me on national interests. Should I vote when I don't live there? Decisions made in Westminster impact me here, e.g. Brexit and the ongoing trade negotiations. Also, I have children and grandchildren whose futures I care about. However, why should my choices impact on people in the UK. Voting whilst not living there is also an uncomfortable choice.
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Might, in the future, that some consideration should be given to creating a 'constituency' for those living/residing overseas... Seems to me that Westminster can impact on their lives with little or no access to placing input from those folk...
 
pauldj42 said:
I have more of an issue with those who simply behave like sheep or believe everything they read in the papers(regardless of political persuasion).
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Why would you have any issue with anyone Paul - how, or why, anyone votes is entirely their free choice and its entirely their choice as to what influences that decision.
 
chrisd said:
Why would you have any issue with anyone Paul - how, or why, anyone votes is entirely their free choice and its entirely their choice as to what influences that decision.
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I think I would have a concern with the way someone voted if it was for a very extreme candidate. Would we want to see a bunch of Tommy Robinsons being voted in and being given airtime?
 
Hobbit said:
I think I would have a concern with the way someone voted if it was for a very extreme candidate. Would we want to see a bunch of Tommy Robinsons being voted in and being given airtime?
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No, I wouldn't Brian but if you chose to vote for him I wouldn't have an issue with that. I would just hope that the majority wouldnt choose to vote for him. I'd certainly start to worry as to where politics was heading if such a candidate was really going to challenge for a seat
 
chrisd said:
Why would you have any issue with anyone Paul - how, or why, anyone votes is entirely their free choice and its entirely their choice as to what influences that decision.
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Because it makes a nonsense out of Democracy, vote for who you like if you’ve given it enough thought, but simply voting (insert any Party here) because my dad/mum or me mates etc told me too, is a waste of a vote imo.

I see it up here all the time, voting Labour because Maggie closed the pits, no issue if you lived during that period but those in the early 20’s saying it annoys me, the world and politics has moved on.
 
pauldj42 said:
Because it makes a nonsense out of Democracy, vote for who you like if you’ve given it enough thought, but simply voting (insert any Party here) because my dad/mum or me mates etc told me too, is a waste of a vote imo.

I see it up here all the time, voting Labour because Maggie closed the pits, no issue if you lived during that period but those in the early 20’s saying it annoys me, the world and politics has moved on.
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But that is exactly what democracy is - their views may be wrong, I see it all the time with criticism of the greatest PM in my lifetime but they have the right to be wrong
 
chrisd said:
But that is exactly what democracy is - their views may be wrong, I see it all the time with criticism of the greatest PM in my lifetime but they have the right to be wrong
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It’s not a view of theirs though Chris, it’s someone else’s foisted upon them, which they accept simply because they are too idle or lazy to take an interest in their own future and the future of the Country.

I’m not for one minute saying my point of view is correct, it’s just the way I experience it sometimes up here.
 
pauldj42 said:
It’s not a view of theirs though Chris, it’s someone else’s foisted upon them, which they accept simply because they are too idle or lazy to take an interest in their own future and the future of the Country.

I’m not for one minute saying my point of view is correct, it’s just the way I experience it sometimes up here.
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I'm sure you do Paul as everyone does, wherever they live, but sadly even the ignorant are entitled to their (or their parents) opinion. You cant also know whether they'd vote the same way even if they weren't indoctrinated by their parents.
 
chrisd said:
I'm sure you do Paul as everyone does, wherever they live, but sadly even the ignorant are entitled to their (or their parents) opinion. You cant also know whether they'd vote the same way even if they weren't indoctrinated by their parents.
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I’ve never said they’re not entitled to an opinion, just that I have an issue with how they form that opinion, surely I’m just as much entitled to my opinion as they are with theirs.
 
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