Pinseeker
Club Champion
what the hell are you lot going on about? Tiger having laser surgery and playing golf is just the same as some playing with their prescrtion glasses on. what next? ban glasses?
Is Tiger Woods a cheat?
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what the hell are you lot going on about? Tiger having laser surgery and playing golf is just the same as some playing with their prescrtion glasses on. what next? ban glasses?
hackamore
Medal Winner
Yes he's undobtedly a huge cheat. The fact that he's the best golfer on the planet has nothing to do with the thousands of hours of practice, single minded dedication, thousands more hours of gym work, mental preparation and not forgetting natural skill and ability.
It's because he can see a bit better than most people.
It's because he can see a bit better than most people.
DCB
Well-known member
Remember the 1 ton "pebble" he got moved by the spectators a few years back ?
or
the television cables at the Open ( I think) where he got a drop and next day someone else didn't get the same drop!
or
the television cables at the Open ( I think) where he got a drop and next day someone else didn't get the same drop!
HTL
Tour Winner
Glasses only correct eyesight to a certain degree, laser eye surgery can make eyes better then perfect! That is what we are going on about.
teetime72
Head Pro
Leaving aside the cheating issue.
If Tiger got to be as good as he is with bad eyesight,
How the hell good is he going to be now with perfect vision.
If Tiger got to be as good as he is with bad eyesight,
How the hell good is he going to be now with perfect vision.
Yidio
Assistant Pro
I could have the best vision in the world,doesn't mean i'd be any good at golf.
Fair enough he might be able to see better than others but his eyes don't swing the club.
It's not as if he's swapped his arms for bionic ones that fail to hit a bad shot,is it?
Fair enough he might be able to see better than others but his eyes don't swing the club.
It's not as if he's swapped his arms for bionic ones that fail to hit a bad shot,is it?
Pinseeker
Club Champion
better than perfect! how does that work then? is there a word for it?
haplesshacker
Money List Winner
Okay. so I tried bringing the thread back to a common question regarding surgical improvements to the body as a whole, and it's effect on sport in general.
However there seems to be a certain amount of stupidity here.
Laser eye surgery is not cheating, is having a bionic arm, well that's not cheating under the current regulations as far as I'm aware.
You can't cap 'vision' at a certain level, but all of this does have wider implications regarding biological improvements, and to what's acceptable as 'corrective' treatment, and what's 'bionic'.
Now lets get over the whole 'is Tiger cheating' crap and look at the thing as a whole. Which is where I think the OP was trying to take this post.
However there seems to be a certain amount of stupidity here.
Laser eye surgery is not cheating, is having a bionic arm, well that's not cheating under the current regulations as far as I'm aware.
You can't cap 'vision' at a certain level, but all of this does have wider implications regarding biological improvements, and to what's acceptable as 'corrective' treatment, and what's 'bionic'.
Now lets get over the whole 'is Tiger cheating' crap and look at the thing as a whole. Which is where I think the OP was trying to take this post.
PeterPumpkinEater
Head Pro
Just my two penneth.
I cant see (no punn intended) how people can say this is cheating as he only had corrective surgery taking him back the sight of a normal human being, if like someone else has stated he was getting Robocop vision then yes this would be an unfair advantage.
To draw a comparison, hasn't Tiger just had corrective knee surgery? I'm sure that this wouldn't give him an unfair advantage unless they put a spring in there
Perhaps the yanks will sue him, now that would be funny!
I cant see (no punn intended) how people can say this is cheating as he only had corrective surgery taking him back the sight of a normal human being, if like someone else has stated he was getting Robocop vision then yes this would be an unfair advantage.
To draw a comparison, hasn't Tiger just had corrective knee surgery? I'm sure that this wouldn't give him an unfair advantage unless they put a spring in there
Perhaps the yanks will sue him, now that would be funny!
Beaker
Assistant Pro
Jesus, is it blob week on here?!
I think the original post wasn't to accuse Tiger of being a cheat, just creating a discussion?!
I personally don't think it is something that will or should create a rule change, yes Tiger does have slightly better vision than most, but he still has to hit the shot. Plus, in my opinion, his "enhanced" vision will only really help him with distance, but then he has probably the best caddie in the world to do that for him anyway?
Tiger is in the possition he is in because he is on the practise area at the crack of dawn, does endless hours of gym work and is completly dedicated to his sport. I've been lucky enough to be in the company of some professional golfers and i've seen them do things and get involved in things that Tiger wouldn't do and its because most of them don't have the dedication to get to the top, to become number one, because of everything else professional golf offers. I don't think there are many as dedicated as Tiger, maybe Vijay and Padraig but not many more.
A great OP htl, has created a debate!
I think the original post wasn't to accuse Tiger of being a cheat, just creating a discussion?!
I personally don't think it is something that will or should create a rule change, yes Tiger does have slightly better vision than most, but he still has to hit the shot. Plus, in my opinion, his "enhanced" vision will only really help him with distance, but then he has probably the best caddie in the world to do that for him anyway?
Tiger is in the possition he is in because he is on the practise area at the crack of dawn, does endless hours of gym work and is completly dedicated to his sport. I've been lucky enough to be in the company of some professional golfers and i've seen them do things and get involved in things that Tiger wouldn't do and its because most of them don't have the dedication to get to the top, to become number one, because of everything else professional golf offers. I don't think there are many as dedicated as Tiger, maybe Vijay and Padraig but not many more.
A great OP htl, has created a debate!
theeaglehunter
Tour Winner
I actually think you have raised a very good point but perhaps unintentionally. If tigers knee was really bad when he won the US open what sort of banned substances could he have been taking to 1) mask the pain and 2) speed up the recovery process. Again I do not necessarily believe he did but in other sports you could guarantee that the winner would have been tested to make sure if circumstances were similar which is what I think HTL was trying to get at.
I really do not understand why people have shot the post down though, I do in fact agree that it is ludicrous to think Tiger having laser eye surgery enhances his winning chances unfairly- making him a cheat, however a simple articulation to this effect would have served a much better purpose than openly criticising someone for a perfectly reasonable post.
I really do not understand why people have shot the post down though, I do in fact agree that it is ludicrous to think Tiger having laser eye surgery enhances his winning chances unfairly- making him a cheat, however a simple articulation to this effect would have served a much better purpose than openly criticising someone for a perfectly reasonable post.
viscount17
Money List Winner
nominal (perfect) visual acuity is taken to be 20/20; you can read the 3rd line from the bottom of a 10 line Snellen chart from 20 ft (6 m).
20/40 (half nominal) - you would have to be at 10 ft to read the 3rd line from the bottom.
better than normal acuity (twice nominal)eg 20/10 would mean you can read the bottom line at 20 ft
Pinseeker
Club Champion
thanks! maybe if his vision is that good the PGA can handicap him by making him wear an eye patch!
shiver-me-timbers now that would be great
shiver-me-timbers now that would be great
Herbie
Tour Winner
so if eyesight fades and you use glasses or contact lenses are they not the same enhancement?
Is a one armed golfer a cheat if he has an arm fitted?
I laughed till I nearly wet myself when I read this thread lol.
Is a one armed golfer a cheat if he has an arm fitted?
I laughed till I nearly wet myself when I read this thread lol.
HTL
Tour Winner
Jesus, is it blob week on here?!
I think the original post wasn't to accuse Tiger of being a cheat, just creating a discussion?!
THANK YOU!!!!
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
The key to this, is where do 'corrections' stop, and 'enhancement' kick in.
If you had surgery to perfect every sub optimal factor in your body, most of which was not medically necessary to live a normal life, or to compete at a certain level, where would cheating begin?
Personally, I need a brain transplant, as this is the weakest link.
I also think TW is on creatin, but that is a different post.
If you had surgery to perfect every sub optimal factor in your body, most of which was not medically necessary to live a normal life, or to compete at a certain level, where would cheating begin?
Personally, I need a brain transplant, as this is the weakest link.
I also think TW is on creatin, but that is a different post.
HTL
Tour Winner
Did you mean Creatine mate? If so that is a huge issue as to what constitutes a legal / illegal drug. At the moment Creatine is legal in all sports as it is a naturally occurring substance in red meat. This kinda stuff is my passion so any questions please fire away.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
The french rugby fed banned it, but the rest have yet to follow. However, I had a similar build to the young tiger, and there is no way that I could have ever built up that amount of muscle. If you are tall, and stick thin, that is not going to happen. You can gym junky all you like, you stay wiry. He went from skinny to ripped in about 6 months. Not natural.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I am going to wait until his eyes go wonky again before I play him pound pound pound, 50p birdies.
vig
Tour Winner
herb, i think you can get corrective surgery for that as well.