Neilds
Assistant Pro
Equality is rife throughout the country, some say that golf is elitist and a sign of privilege - shall we get rid of that as well?
Is the current Monarchy too costly for the UK
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Orikoru
Tour Winner
Well no, because I think they'd be wrong. Or they'd be looking at the wrong golf clubs.
theoneandonly
Blackballed
Golf has gone some way to addressing that, however it could still do more.
Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
Emphasising my point there, you've seen what you wish to see and not the reality
RichA
Well-known member
Not sure about you, but my golf club membership and equipment is paid for out of the money that I earn.
Some clubs may be elitist. Golf itself is not.
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
Emphasising my point there, you've seen what you wish to see and not the reality
Ha ha - knew you'd say that
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
We will see in the next year or two what King Charles thinks a slimmed-down monarchy might look like.
In thinking about this and who King Charles admires from the past and might take a lead from, I picked up my much treasured and read book A Pageant of History (1957) that has informed my understanding of British history for more than 50yrs…and I read this morning the following…
The new King was a sincere, brave and well-meaning young man, but not over-bright, and very obstinate in his views.
This was King George III about whom King Charles has expressed much admiration ?
Interestingly, and as an aside, I also read that King George III (and I quote from my book) organised, largely by bribery, a party in the House of Commons on which he could depend. These were labelled the ‘King's Friends’ amongst which the Tories were predominant, for the Tory party had now become reconciled to the Hanoverian succession.
It’s history of the mid-late 18th century and very much, almost everything, has changed since then, but it leads me to wonder how our new King might work with Parliament ?
In thinking about this and who King Charles admires from the past and might take a lead from, I picked up my much treasured and read book A Pageant of History (1957) that has informed my understanding of British history for more than 50yrs…and I read this morning the following…
The new King was a sincere, brave and well-meaning young man, but not over-bright, and very obstinate in his views.
This was King George III about whom King Charles has expressed much admiration ?
Interestingly, and as an aside, I also read that King George III (and I quote from my book) organised, largely by bribery, a party in the House of Commons on which he could depend. These were labelled the ‘King's Friends’ amongst which the Tories were predominant, for the Tory party had now become reconciled to the Hanoverian succession.
It’s history of the mid-late 18th century and very much, almost everything, has changed since then, but it leads me to wonder how our new King might work with Parliament ?
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D
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The Monarchy will always be an emotive subject
1. Financial - it costs a lot for the monarchy but the level of finance they bring into the country I don’t think the real amount can be known. Millions around the world come to visit the Royal Family and not just to see the buildings. People visit many areas around the country for a chance to see them and that’s not just from abroad. I have no doubt that they bring more to the economy than they take out
2. Employment - the royal family directly and indirectly employ 1000’s of people.
3. Public Relations - just look at the reaction during the jubilee celebrations, look at the last 10 days or so , watch when they visit other countries and see how people react to them - there is no figure or group of people that have that reaction - they stand head and shoulders above anyone in the world when it comes to that.
4. Head of State - it’s mainly ceremonial, they don’t get involved in the politics , it’s not been their remit for decades , the elected parties do that for them. But just look at the message the Queen portrayed during the Covid and compare to the message portrayed by the government.
5. Privilege - yes they are privileged by birth , but they aren’t the only ones and with that privilege comes a lot of responsibility and for the most part they shoulder it well
Overall the monarchy aren’t going anywhere currently - they won’t be standing themselves down , no government will look for a referendum to go to a republic - and even if they did public opinion would be more than strong enough to keep them
The Royal Family don’t cause harm to the general public and for many they are a cause for good feeling and support and they provide overall a very public image for the country
We all pay the equivalent of £1.29 for them as a sovereign grant - for what they do for the country it’s money well spent
1. Financial - it costs a lot for the monarchy but the level of finance they bring into the country I don’t think the real amount can be known. Millions around the world come to visit the Royal Family and not just to see the buildings. People visit many areas around the country for a chance to see them and that’s not just from abroad. I have no doubt that they bring more to the economy than they take out
2. Employment - the royal family directly and indirectly employ 1000’s of people.
3. Public Relations - just look at the reaction during the jubilee celebrations, look at the last 10 days or so , watch when they visit other countries and see how people react to them - there is no figure or group of people that have that reaction - they stand head and shoulders above anyone in the world when it comes to that.
4. Head of State - it’s mainly ceremonial, they don’t get involved in the politics , it’s not been their remit for decades , the elected parties do that for them. But just look at the message the Queen portrayed during the Covid and compare to the message portrayed by the government.
5. Privilege - yes they are privileged by birth , but they aren’t the only ones and with that privilege comes a lot of responsibility and for the most part they shoulder it well
Overall the monarchy aren’t going anywhere currently - they won’t be standing themselves down , no government will look for a referendum to go to a republic - and even if they did public opinion would be more than strong enough to keep them
The Royal Family don’t cause harm to the general public and for many they are a cause for good feeling and support and they provide overall a very public image for the country
We all pay the equivalent of £1.29 for them as a sovereign grant - for what they do for the country it’s money well spent
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
I’ve not seen a single event that has pulled our country and other countries together so tightly as the queens death, it says it all.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
We don't "pay" £1.29.
That is a figure derived from the Sovereign Grant divided by population.
The Sovereign Grant is taken from the profits of the Crown Estate. Recent report shows profits of over £300 million and a grant given back from the Treasury of around £86 million.
That is a figure derived from the Sovereign Grant divided by population.
The Sovereign Grant is taken from the profits of the Crown Estate. Recent report shows profits of over £300 million and a grant given back from the Treasury of around £86 million.
theoneandonly
Blackballed
How do I visit the royal family?
D
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https://www.royal.uk/future-engagements
Trooping the Colour and indeed any public royal event - take the Jubilee as an example and see how many visited the UK to see the Queen during the celebrations.
drdel
Tour Rookie
IF the Monarchy is so economically viable then let it operate in the commercial world and pay ALL the relevant taxes and commercial rates on the properties.
theoneandonly
Blackballed
Oh you mean go and stand some distance away or maybe watch them walk by . That's not visiting by any stretch....
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
The Crown Estate IS run on commercial lines and is accountable to the treasury. There is no need to tax it as the money does not disappear to shareholders and wealthy people, but remains in the coffers of the Crown Estate which is accountable to, and audited by, the treasury. The prime minister is First Lord Of The Treasury.
If you have a better financial plan than this you should set it out. Take note of the Crown Estate Act and set out how to change it or replace it with something else and how that would work.
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
Orikoru said it very well. The argument re the alternative "President " isn't valid.
There is no reason to replace the Monarch with a President.
We could have what we have now. The PM is the Head of State .
The heads of State of many countries are elected.
If our Monarchy "disbanded " or whatever term you use, this Country would continue to be governed as it is.
The "never seen" costs of the monarchy are immense. The "incidentals " that aren't on the balance sheet etc.
I understand the president of Germany is not the head of Government. That is the Chancellor , I believe. ( equivalent to our PM).
However. These presidents are elected and not living in as much luxury, nor are there siblings, relatives etc living for their whole lives in similar circumstances just because they are born into it.
BiMGuy
LIV Bot, (But Not As Big As Mel) ?
To play a bit of Devil lad advocate. What level of wealth and privilege should people be allowed to be born into?
The ability to avoid inheritance tax tips things in their favour more than a tad. Perhaps even that one out to the same degree as everyone else?
Lots of people are born into money, whether old family money, passed down through time, or new money, made in the last generation. I don't begrudge anyone that money, politics of envy and all that, but I do think there should be a level playing field.
drdel
Tour Rookie
The Crown Estate is a long long way divorced from being run as a commercial enterprise. Tax accountability is widely different for Royals and their property.
Not in Scotland it’s not, it’s definitely commercial and that’s directly working with them.