Is it better than a hole in one?

HawkeyeMS said:
Was it really perfectly hit? Did you know exactly to the mm how far the hole was and deliberately tried to hit it that exact distance? Somehow I doubt it. My guess it that you knew roughly how far the hole was and happened to, on that occasion, make a swing that meant the ball landed straight in the hole. It wasn't perfect execution.

I hit my 2nd shot straight into the hole on the 18th the other week, it was a good shot, but the fact it went straight in the hole was luck.
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Well glad to see you can make a judgement on a shot you never saw

The ball went the exact distance i required to have the hole in one - i didn't get lucky bounce , it wasn't a thin along the ground or a fat or a bounce of a tree ( which I have had and was lucky ) or hit the flag to help it

To dismiss hole in ones as lucky is extremely narrow minded and just dismisses acts of skill and correct execution for that one shot
 
HawkeyeMS said:
And I'm saying there's no difference, they're both completing the hole in the fewest number of shots and are both luck
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But there have been plenty of aces on par 4s aswell. and its is possible to ace a par 5 too so you are wrong.
 
HawkeyeMS said:
So why is the skill of the shot for a HIO better than that of a holed 2nd shot?
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I am not saying it is any more skilful. HIO is like the holy grail for a golfer.


Like an overhead kick and a tap in. They all count as one goal but pretty sure everyone wants the overhead kick.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Well glad to see you can make a judgement on a shot you never saw

The ball went the exact distance i required to have the hole in one - i didn't get lucky bounce , it wasn't a thin along the ground or a fat or a bounce of a tree ( which I have had and was lucky ) or hit the flag to help it

To dismiss hole in ones as lucky is extremely narrow minded and just dismisses acts of skill and correct execution for that one shot
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So did you know "exactly" how far away the hole was?

There's nothing narrow minded about it and it's not taking away from a good shot, it's just being realistic. A shot that lands 6" from the hole is no better or worse than one that goes in, the one that went in just had a bit more luck to it.
 
The question is, ''is it better''. yes, because of the acclaim attached.


Has anyone ever got their name up on a board in the clubhouse for an eagle two?
 
HawkeyeMS said:
So did you know "exactly" how far away the hole was?

There's nothing narrow minded about it and it's not taking away from a good shot, it's just being realistic. A shot that lands 6" from the hole is no better or worse than one that goes in, the one that went in just had a bit more luck to it.
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Of course it's taking it away from being a good shot - it's just dismissing acts of skill

If we go by your line of thought any act of skill in sport is all down to luck for the way it ends up - a 30 yard screamer , a jinking run to score a try , hitting an ace - all down to luck ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Of course it's taking it away from being a good shot - it's just dismissing acts of skill

If we go by your line of thought any act of skill in sport is all down to luck for the way it ends up - a 30 yard screamer , a jinking run to score a try , hitting an ace - all down to luck ?
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I give up, you win. Every hole in one is intended and involves no luck at all. In each case the player was intending to hit the ball exactly where they hit it and the ball reacted exactly as they intended before going in. No luck involved whatsoever.

So just tell me again, why don't we get more of them?
 
HawkeyeMS said:
I give up, you win. Every hole in one is intended and involves no luck at all. In each case the player was intending to hit the ball exactly where they hit it and the ball reacted exactly as they intended before going in. No luck involved whatsoever.

So just tell me again, why don't we get more of them?
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The same reason why players don't get birdies on every hole - people naturally don't hit the perfect shot every time they hit the ball

And never said all hole in ones have no luck - have had one of a tree - that was lucky but a great deal of shots and results are down to skill and execution.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Of course it's taking it away from being a good shot - it's just dismissing acts of skill

If we go by your line of thought any act of skill in sport is all down to luck for the way it ends up - a 30 yard screamer , a jinking run to score a try , hitting an ace - all down to luck ?
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Allegedly the odds of hitting a HIO is 64k:1 (or similar)
I don't know the odds of, say, scoring a goal like Liverpool's first today are but I suspect even I could get it right once in a couple of thousand trys....
There is a huge amount of luck scoring a HIO - if it was all about skill then the Pros would be getting a couple each round - each!
At the end of the day a HIO or a hole-out from distance on a par 4 have exactly the same effect on the scorecard. Its only a traditional attitude that seems to make it more worthwhile.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The same reason why players don't get birdies on every hole - people naturally don't hit the perfect shot every time they hit the ball

And never said all hole in ones have no luck - have had one of a tree - that was lucky but a great deal of shots and results are down to skill and execution.
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I'm not saying they aren't just that the ones that go in involve luck and that holing out for a HIO is no better than holing out for ann eagle on a par 4 or 5
 
Imurg said:
Allegedly the odds of hitting a HIO is 64k:1 (or similar)
I don't know the odds of, say, scoring a goal like Liverpool's first today are but I suspect even I could get it right once in a couple of thousand trys....
There is a huge amount of luck scoring a HIO - if it was all about skill then the Pros would be getting a couple each round - each!
At the end of the day a HIO or a hole-out from distance on a par 4 have exactly the same effect on the scorecard. Its only a traditional attitude that seems to make it more worthwhile.
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But the hole in one could be on a par 4. So its not the same is it.
 
Imurg said:
Allegedly the odds of hitting a HIO is 64k:1 (or similar)
I don't know the odds of, say, scoring a goal like Liverpool's first today are but I suspect even I could get it right once in a couple of thousand trys....
There is a huge amount of luck scoring a HIO - if it was all about skill then the Pros would be getting a couple each round - each!
At the end of the day a HIO or a hole-out from distance on a par 4 have exactly the same effect on the scorecard. Its only a traditional attitude that seems to make it more worthwhile.
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Once again Imurg, we are in agreement :thup:
 
HawkeyeMS said:
I'm not saying they aren't just that the ones that go in involve luck and that holing out for a HIO is no better than holing out for ann eagle on a par 4 or 5
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Do you really not rate your ace(s) higher than your 2/3 shot eagles?
 
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