Is 90k pay middle class

[Voyager EMH]

But surely Royalty, nobility etc. is a social status, it's nothing to do with wealth? You only have 2 categories, working class and non-working class using your definitions.

I don't see royalty, nobility and aristocracy as a social status, but a mere accident consequence of birth in most cases.
Nobility and Royalty exist as a reality. Holding inherited titles and in some cases vast estates and/or castles does set them apart as Upper Class.

I think I have said it often enough that I hold no view on social status with regard to a definition of Upper, Middle and Working class.

 

[Reemul]

I don't see royalty, nobility and aristocracy as a social status, but a mere accident consequence of birth in most cases.
Nobility and Royalty exist as a reality. Holding inherited titles and in some cases vast estates and/or castles does set them apart as Upper Class.

I think I have said it often enough that I hold no view on social status with regard to a definition of Upper, Middle and Working class.

It really doesn't matter what you think or I think, some people think the world is flat, it doesn't matter that they think that, the world is round. You may not care about the classes but they exist...

 

[cliveb]

The extra hours she had to do was immense. She had to be availabile on the phne 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, 12 months of the year. Yes she was very well paid, but the stress was immense and toll on her personal life. But someone has to do it.

That's the problem with the way businesses are run by bean counters these days.
Nobody HAS to do it. The management get away with loading extreme levels of stress on individuals because somebody is prepared to do it. If nobody agreed to take on a job like that, the management would have no option other than to accept more staff are needed.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

That's the problem with the way businesses are run by bean counters these days.
Nobody HAS to do it. The management get away with loading extreme levels of stress on individuals because somebody is prepared to do it. If nobody agreed to take on a job like that, the management would have no option other than to accept more staff are needed.

But you need someone to manage the project/whats going on, thats my point. You have to have someone taking charge and overall control there.

 

[Neilds]

But you need someone to manage the project/whats going on, thats my point. You have to have someone taking charge and overall control there.

I think what CliveB is saying is that 2 people should have been doing the job, not killing 1 person by lumbering them with everything

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I think what CliveB is saying is that 2 people should have been doing the job, not killing 1 person by lumbering them with everything

I misunderstood his point then. I don't disagree with that, and in fact now she has left and they were having trouble getting a replacement, they have split the role.

 

[PJ87]

I misunderstood his point then. I don't disagree with that, and in fact now she has left and they were having trouble getting a replacement, they have split the role.

Have they split the wages so it's two roles paying less than the 1 would combined or do they pay more to attract people?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Have they split the wages so it's two roles paying less than the 1 would combined or do they pay more to attract people?

No. The salary matches the responsibility of running the contract so is the same, for each.

 

[Voyager EMH]

It really doesn't matter what you think or I think, some people think the world is flat, it doesn't matter that they think that, the world is round. You may not care about the classes but they exist...

I am very certain that Upper, Middle and Working Classes exist.
I am also very clear in my mind what they are - I have set out what that is - very clearly.

It is because of my clear definition that I do not need to attach "importance", "social status" or whether these "matter" - I merely recognise what they are and what role they have in the economy.

 

[Springveldt]

Virtually everyone I know needs to work until retired I would consider many of them to be middle class.

If they need to work to retirement then aren't they working class but just higher earning working class? I'm not sure there is a "middle class" as most people either need to work to live or have enough that they don't need to work.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If they need to work to retirement then aren't they working class but just higher earning working class? I'm not sure there is a "middle class" as most people either need to work to live or have enough that they don't need to work.

Seems to me upper class is viewed as those with silver spoons,middle class is those who work for a living and working class are those on the dole/benefits and who don't work for their money.
I don't consider anyone any different, as our poo always smell no matter who we are.

 

[Springveldt]

Seems to me upper class is viewed as those with silver spoons,middle class is those who work for a living and working class are those on the dole/benefits and who don't work for their money.
I don't consider anyone any different, as our poo always smell no matter who we are.

Wait, so someone on the dole who isn't working is working class? Middle class is those who are working and live month to month?

As to the original post, even living in a cheaper area of the country I don't think 90K a year makes you middle class, it just makes you a better off working class. Nobody making 90K a year is waking up deciding if they fancy working that day or not.

 

[hambugerpete]

I'd consider myself 100% working class, bought up on a council estate. I've done well though and my kids love to call me a Tory

 

[Voyager EMH]

Seems to me upper class is viewed as those with silver spoons,middle class is those who work for a living and working class are those on the dole/benefits and who don't work for their money.
I don't consider anyone any different, as our poo always smell no matter who we are.

Quite a good definition that must work for your view of things.
But those who don't work for their money and receive benefits would include some wealthy people who receive housing benefit for having poor people living in properties that they own.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Guess would be working class , grew up around military , then joined the military then left and went into another job

Is that working class

 

[Voyager EMH]

Guess would be working class , grew up around military , then joined the military then left and went into another job

Is that working class

Quite a few upper class people have that background.
But that information does not define which class you are in.
The need to work and amount of wealth are the distinctive differences that separate middle and working classes.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Quite a good definition that must work for your view of things.
But those who don't work for their money and receive benefits would include some wealthy people who receive housing benefit for having poor people living in properties that they own.

I dont know.
What I do know is my poo smells as much as everyone else, no matter who or what they are, how much they do or don't earn.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Quite a few upper class people have that background.
But that information does not define which class you are in.
The need to work and amount of wealth are the distinctive differences that separate middle and working classes.

Sorry should have said “worked” in the military ie down with the lower ranks

 

[Neilds]

I am now employed within the civil service and they are making a big thing about social mobility. Lots of surveys start with asking about what the main earner in yourself did when you were 14, whether you had free school meals, etc. Not sure how that affects me 40 years later?

 

[PJ87]

I am now employed within the civil service and they are making a big thing about social mobility. Lots of surveys start with asking about what the main earner in yourself did when you were 14, whether you had free school meals, etc. Not sure how that affects me 40 years later?

Expanding Free School Meals would generate up to £41.3 billion for the economy

Expanding Free School Meals would generate up to £41.3 billion for the economy Free school meals provide vital support to families struggling with cost of living pressures.

foodfoundation.org.uk

Plenty of studies about linking free school meals and productive education, how well children learn etc

Plus what you were doing at 14 again links back to today IE what standard of education you received compared to others