Irrefutable evidence?

[Whereditgo]

Played 18 holes yesterday morning and suddenly the slice/ fade returns to the driver, every single drive either set off right and kept going or started straight only to veer off right violently (and disastrously into trouble!) very frustrating as I thought I had cured this I even tried Bob's quick-fix of lining up as though to hit a draw to no avail

After seeing a repeat on the 18th I noticed a white paint mark on the bottom of the driver from the wooden tee I was using. The angle of this tell-tale stripe clearly indicated an out to in swing path!

Went straight to the range to experiment and found that by moving the ball slightly further inside my heel and concentrating on keeping the backswing low seemed to improve things dramatically. I don't have a problem getting a high ball flight, in fact if anything it's probably too high robbing me of a little distance on roll.

Played another 18 in the afternoon and didn't miss a single fairway, although I did still hit the occasional slight fade.

Bit achey today though lol

 

[Billy]

if the ball starts straight or right with that swing you must have the clubface wide open fella. wots your grip like

 

[Whereditgo]

if the ball starts straight or right with that swing you must have the clubface wide open fella. wots your grip like

Had a playing lesson during last week and one of the things the Pro got me to change was my grip, the right hand was "a bit too strong" apparently.

I really should get my swing flmed and posted on here, as much for my own viewing, no doubt when I actually see the swing myself it will be a lot different to how I imagine it to be!

 

[Billy]

Bingo hes changed your grip from strong to neutral but at impact youv gone back to strong opening the face wide open again big bannana
when you see your swing think feel or reel

 

[Whereditgo]

Bingo hes changed your grip from strong to neutral but at impact youv gone back to strong opening the face wide open again big bannana
when you see your swing think feel or reel

The paint mark across the bottom of the club was surely an indicator of the swing path though? it was perhaps 30 deg!

 

[Billy]

you mean 30 deg out to in?
if it is and the clubface is open enough, it will still start right( i think )

 

[JustOne]

Bingo hes changed your grip from strong to neutral but at impact youv gone back to strong opening the face wide open again big bannana
when you see your swing think feel or reel

A stronger grip will generally CLOSE the clubface. What's "feel or reel"?

Interesting to see that despite your prodigious moaning you've managed to start offering advice in the "Experts" section - too funny for words Billy!

 

[bobmac]

if he has a strong grip and the pro made it weaker, at impact hes going back to his old strong grip which would open the face. big slice.follow?
feel and reel
feel is whatnyou think your doin
reel is wot you are actually doin

 

[Billy]

if he has a strong grip and the pro made it weaker, at impact hes going back to his old strong grip which would open the face. big slice.follow?
feel and reel
feel is whatnyou think your doin
reel is wot you are actually doin

spot on bobmac
ok i meant real not reel lol

 

[JustOne]

if he has a strong grip and the pro made it weaker, at impact hes going back to his old strong grip which would open the face. big slice.follow?

What you're trying to say (I think) is that he's rolling/leaving his wrists open at impact? I agree.

 

[bobmac]

I think thats what he said anyway.
I'm guessing your under 20 Billy?

 

[golf_bug]

I'm sure I posted on this thread but its gone.....how strange.

Just to throw into the mix that he could be hanging back on his right side through impact, causing shoulders to open and cutting across the ball?

 

[Whereditgo]

Just to throw into the mix that he could be hanging back on his right side through impact, causing shoulders to open and cutting across the ball?

Don't think it's that, I tend to move towards the ball on all but short game shots

 

[golf_bug]

Just to throw into the mix that he could be hanging back on his right side through impact, causing shoulders to open and cutting across the ball?

Don't think it's that, I tend to move towards the ball on all but short game shots

Ah - is the 'move towards the ball' a lateral shify of the hips?

 

[Whereditgo]

With irons I would say a definte yes, but with the driver more trying to clear the left hip and get my upper body facing towards the target.

 

[golf_bug]

With irons I would say a definte yes, but with the driver more trying to clear the left hip and get my upper body facing towards the target.

I used to slide my hips rather than turn then which led to a lot of blocks. If ou have an open club face at teh same time this could be causing your shots to start right and then go further right.

Bob....stop me please!

 

[Whereditgo]

Bob....stop me please!

heh! heh! - all input is much appreciated

 

[bobmac]

Bob....stop me please!

Stop
If it were a block he would be in to out on the downswing. Whereditgo has said his swing is out to in, the ball starting straight or right and going more right.

I still think what Billy said was right. You start with the new grip neutral at address but during the swing it slips back to where it wants to be (strong) causing the face to open.
Try, just for curiousity going back to your old grip and see if that reduces it from a slice to a fade. After all, a fade will listen
Let us know how you get on

 

[Whereditgo]

It was the GRIP, it was the GRIP, it was the bloody fuggin GRIP!!!

Down to the range after work and started with my old grip - fairly straight with a slight fade.

Then changed back to the new grip and really concentrated on maintaining the same grip throughout the swing, hey presto! it starts straight and then draws left!

Thanks fella's have a couple on me [][]

Still doesn't explain that paintmark on the bottom of the driver though

 

[bobmac]

It was the GRIP, it was the GRIP, it was the bloody fuggin GRIP!!!

I'm glad your hitting it better. I told you Billy was right it was the grip
Dont worry about the markings on the club, just enjoy driving it down the middle.