Independence Poll

[sev112]

The Faslane thing always gets me - ie "we dont want it"

I was working in Devonport on the nuclear sub docks when the work was taken and given to Faslane, because they bid for it and made a better case for it. plymouth was certainly not very happy to lose it, and as i remember Scotland seemed very happy to have it.

i am certainly sure that Plymouth would take that multi-billion contract that has just been announced back right now

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The multi- billion contract is going to Derby.

 

[sev112]

The multi- billion contract is going to Derby.

Blimey they must have good seismically justified dry docks there

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The contract was for the reactors.

 

[Scadge]

I voted against independence, I'm a proud Englishman but believe in the Union, and love all the local rivalry with Scotland, Wales and Ireland. I'm an educated guy but don't claim to understand all the financial implications, and the relative debt and earnings prospects of the countries independently. I do however think that in a global market all other things being equal bigger is better and we have more clout acting together and I have a sneaky feeling that the economic powerhouse is London and the South East which is why 15m people live there rather than Scotland which has nearer 5.

If the debate is about how to divide the legacy of the union and its assets then every member of the union should get a vote - it seems to me to be odd that the group who want to leave the union also believe they should dictate how the assets are divided and also that they should have access to currency, export markets, financial infrastructure etc.

I hope I never see the day and especially not so soon after the diamond Jubilee and a year in which I hope that British athletes do us all proud in the UK hosted Olympics

 

[HughJars]

I think its good to here what both side have to say.

Exactly, so your poll should have had two questions, one for what the English would like, and one for Scots. Now with a combined vote, who knows what the make up of the voting was?

 

[Snelly]

I am a big supporter of Scottish independence. My reasoning is mostly based on my hope that if it goes through, the Scots will for the first time ever, stop their incessant moaning about England.

 

[munro007]

Snelly were not the ones moaning about Scottish golf.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Snelly were not the ones moaning about Scottish golf.

Shuperb 007!!

Seems to be a conection between the more arrogant anti-scots posts and the pro independent voting

 

[munro007]

21 votes each, come on the yes votes :clap:

 

[CliveW]

I definately think that The Falklands should be independant from Argentina.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I definately think that The Falklands should be independant from Argentina.

Unless they discover oil, then you can get the British 9%.

 

[Snelly]

Snelly were not the ones moaning about Scottish golf.

Neither am I.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I am a big supporter of Scottish independence. My reasoning is mostly based on my hope that if it goes through, the Scots will for the first time ever, stop their incessant moaning about England.

A wee bit unfair.Most of the sensible people I know don't moan about England, just Westminster and how they treat Scotland,mainly financially.Remember, we were the guinea pigs for the Poll Tax, something that still raises hackles up here.
And right now, we're gonna have Conservative governments for the forseeable future, and I'm sure you aware we have more Pandas than Tory MP's in Scotland, a sure sign of obvious political differences between Scotland and England.

 

[Snelly]

A wee bit unfair.Most of the sensible people I know don't moan about England, just Westminster and how they treat Scotland,mainly financially.Remember, we were the guinea pigs for the Poll Tax, something that still raises hackles up here.
And right now, we're gonna have Conservative governments for the forseeable future, and I'm sure you aware we have more Pandas than Tory MP's in Scotland, a sure sign of obvious political differences between Scotland and England.

Unfair? Maybe. A generalisation? Certainly. However, it would seem to have a pretty firm basis in my experience. A glance through any GM forum thread that has any connection to Scotland invariably gives the point some credence.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Unfair? Maybe. A generalisation? Certainly. However, it would seem to have a pretty firm basis in my experience. A glance through any GM forum thread that has any connection to Scotland invariably gives the point some credence.

Football and the frequency of The Open in Scotland, one we're generally the poorer cousin of England internationally and certainly domestically, plus football is about as tribal as it gets in Scotland, just look at the Rangers thread for that.

Golf, well, it's our game, we've given it to the world and since the beginning of the 20th Century England then America stole!The R&A run the open and are based in Scotland, it's about the only thing we have and are pretty protective of it.

 

[CMAC]

I cant read every post here (nor want to) but a few I've gleaned were quite interesting and informative.

My understanding of history is that Scotland HAD independence and it was a disaster..............what's to stop history repeating itself?

Alex Salmond is an egotistical 'politician' that is driven to have his name against something massive, independence in my opinion will cripple Scotland financially...........

United we stand, divided..............

 

[CliveW]

My understanding of history is that Scotland HAD independence and it was a disaster..............what's to stop history repeating itself?

Oh do explain.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Alex Salmond is an egotistical 'politician' that is driven to have his name against something massive, independence in my opinion will cripple Scotland financially...........

What politician isn't egotistical?...and care to back up the cripple claim with any facts?

 

[One Planer]

What politician isn't egotistical?...and care to back up the cripple claim with any facts?

I would "guess" Darth is thinking along the same lines I was and taking into account the potential national debt and its servicing costs.

Look at it this way.

Scotland go independant and take their share of the national debt £110Bn (Your figure)

Portugal has a national debt is around the £122Bn (€153Bn) mark. They have double the population of Scotland at just over 10.5m, so a larger potential tax base and look at the rumors surrounding their economy and potential EU bail-outs.