Increase In Local Housing

[Lord Tyrion]

I live in a pretty empty county, Northumberland. No point sticking a housing estate in some of the empty fields though as no one would buy there. It's a daft argument. People want to buy near to where the jobs are and in nice places.

The builders were given free reign in my town for two years and because of this nonsense the number of houses available will increase by around 20-25%, a huge change to the town. No extra doctors, no extra school places, no new road system or bridges to reduce the bottleneck. The excellent schools which the house builders mention as a reason for buying are turning away kids from some of these new estates because the increase in numbers has meant the catchment area has had to be reduced so much. One estate is outside the new zone. The school for the town can no longer accommodate all of the kids in the town!

This criminal lack of forward planning brought about a change of council at the 2016 elections but by then much of the permission and damage has been done.

I should add, we have not had an influx of people from other countries, the move is people moving from nearby to within the town because it is desirable.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Seems like a couple of folk on here do not seem to understand the planning process of building 'new towns'.

To help them, nearly all of the new towns such as Irvine, Livingstone, Milton Keynes, Welling Garden etc were, believe it or not, open countryside before they became new towns.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Seems like a couple of folk on here do not seem to understand the planning process of building 'new towns'.

To help them, nearly all of the new towns such as Irvine, Livingstone, Milton Keynes, Welling Garden etc were, believe it or not, open countryside before they became new towns.

New towns are all that. A new town with all of the facilities. The problem is we are currently having the housing without the facilities.

In my county they are damaging existing villages and towns by building on green space in and on their edges and distorting the villages / towns. I'd welcome new towns in the correct place. Very sensible.

 

[SocketRocket]

Seems like a couple of folk on here do not seem to understand the planning process of building 'new towns'.

To help them, nearly all of the new towns such as Irvine, Livingstone, Milton Keynes, Welling Garden etc were, believe it or not, open countryside before they became new towns.

Some don't seem to understand that in the times these new towns were built we had large manufacturing industries in their vicinity and the population of the country was much lower. I accept that Scotland's population is much lower per sq mile than England so maybe it would make sense to send a few million more people North of the border to expand some of these sleepy Hamlets so they can experience the problems this brings without having to read about them on a Golf Forum.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Some don't seem to understand that in the times these new towns were built we had large manufacturing industries in their vicinity and the population of the country was much lower. I accept that Scotland's population is much lower per sq mile than England so maybe it would make sense to send a few million more people North of the border to expand some of these sleepy Hamlets so they can experience the problems this brings without having to read about them on a Golf Forum.

They would be very welcome, IMO Scotland needs at least another 500,000 citizens to enamel it to expand.

I cannot recall much 'heavy industry' around the new towns, especially in the London suburbs.
Cumbernauld perhaps, doubtful for Irvine and definitely not Livingstone.

 

[Hobbit]

Seems like a couple of folk on here do not seem to understand the planning process of building 'new towns'.

To help them, nearly all of the new towns such as Irvine, Livingstone, Milton Keynes, Welling Garden etc were, believe it or not, open countryside before they became new towns.

Really?! Thanks for that.

I wonder how close any of those are to a motorway, to industry and other major towns? I wonder if they are dormitory towns supplying those other large towns and industry with labour?

I wonder...?

BTW Doon, a dormitory town is where, in the main, people live but don't work there. Its often built to support new and expanding industries... oh look, there's Nissan near Washington. Washington used to be a dot of a town.... wow! Not far away is Cramlington, another dormitory town. Some small industries there but the vast majority of folk work in and around Newcastle.

I never knew a degree qualified geography student would need your help on what/how a new town is built, but thanks anyway.

 

[Imurg]

Aylesbury is one huge building site, there are plans for a further 20000 houses to be built over the next 20 years,
As you know I was recently in Stoke Mandeville Hospital , I was stepped down from intensive care and it took them 2 days to find me a bed in a ward as they were all full.

I know they are playing catch-up after all the cancelled operations due to the flu, but to have no spare capacity at all is dangerous. Unless the hospital expands now, how is it going to cope with the huge population increase over the next few years.

I note they are building 2 new crematoriums about 4 miles apart from each other, maybe they are planning to cut out the middle man entirely.

I have it on pretty good authority that the Hospital were confident they could cope with the extra population and were heavily consulted during the planning process...not convinced they can cope and they can't expand because they sold masses of land a few years back for.....housing...and SMH A&E covers Wycombe as well as Aylesbury and surrounds - at a rough guess about 150k people and that number is rising daily
There's a new estate on the Bicester side of town, it's huge and they're still building it. Apart from the houses, all they have is a junior school, a secondary school and a Steakhouse that's actually over the main A41...half decent bus service but no shops at all and the first people moved in 3 years ago.
On the Leighton Buzzard side, we're getting another huge estate that, according to estimates, is going to take upwards of 10 years to build.
Another estate has been occupied for nearly 6 years and finished for 2 and yet most of the roads haven't been tarmaced....
Virtually every space is being built on, filling in gaps.
And the roads just can't cope with it.

 

[Foxholer]

Seems like a couple of folk on here do not seem to understand the planning process of building 'new towns'.

To help them, nearly all of the new towns such as Irvine, Livingstone, Milton Keynes, Welling Garden etc were, believe it or not, open countryside before they became new towns.

Milton Keynes was certainly not simply 'open countryside' before it became a new town. The 60s expansion of WGC was based on the existing town (a major development of the 20s). And even the area of modern Swindon, an area I believe you are quite familiar with, had pockets of population (villages, of which the existing 'Swindon' was one of the smaller ones) that were 'absorbed' into districts of 'the New Town'!

Of course, there was open countryside between the villages, otherwise there would be no point/ability to create a 'new town' - as it (the town!) would already exist! But to argue that New Towns were built purely from open fields is wrong!

And checking out the Scottish ones.... Livingston was a similar pattern to MK and Swindon, while Irvine was 'already a sizeable' (and quite ancient) town, so its expansion was similar to WGC!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seems like a couple of folk on here do not seem to understand the planning process of building 'new towns'.

To help them, nearly all of the new towns such as Irvine, Livingstone, Milton Keynes, Welling Garden etc were, believe it or not, open countryside before they became new towns.

MK wasn’t just an open space in any shape or form - the creation of MK fill gaps between the old MK village , Bletchley and other surrounding villages

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I know, let’s build another Stevenage

On second thoughts, let’s not 👍

 

[fundy]

MK wasn’t just an open space in any shape or form - the creation of MK fill gaps between the old MK village , Bletchley and other surrounding villages

Was 9 original villages in effect, population now is 200,000 and still growing. too much of the new housing is being built without infrastructure improvement, lack of schools, doctors surgeries, capacity at hospital etc not to mention the increased traffic on roads that are now buckling at the seams at busy times

Hugely desirable of late due to a combination of businesses locating there (ie network rail) and it being one of the most affordable places housing wise with a 30 min train ride to central london (albeit it takes most people half an hour to get to the station at key times!)

Its an exceptionally functional place, but it is clearly starting to strain in areas (like many other conurbations) and its gone way past original development plans and theres little signs of it abating, as soon as they finish building one estate the start the next one.

Theyre slowly upgrading the roads in and out (ie the M1 link road) and there supposed to be reinstating the Oxford to Cambridge train line through but its reactive not proactive. Huge development in Buckingham and Bicester yet neither towns have a by pass so any one trying to travel from MK to Oxford has to go through both and both are also buckling at the seams.

One thing is for sure, demand still exceeds supply and hard to see that changing in the forseeable future

 

[Crazyface]

The defence rests m'laud!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Milton Keynes was certainly not simply 'open countryside' before it became a new town. The 60s expansion of WGC was based on the existing town (a major development of the 20s). And even the area of modern Swindon, an area I believe you are quite familiar with, had pockets of population (villages, of which the existing 'Swindon' was one of the smaller ones) that were 'absorbed' into districts of 'the New Town'!

Of course, there was open countryside between the villages, otherwise there would be no point/ability to create a 'new town' - as it (the town!) would already exist! But to argue that New Towns were built purely from open fields is wrong!

And checking out the Scottish ones.... Livingston was a similar pattern to MK and Swindon, while Irvine was 'already a sizeable' (and quite ancient) town, so its expansion was similar to WGC!

Swindon never had 'new town' status.
For much of it's expansion the council was fairly hard core, forward thinking Labour left.
[I recall one summer council meeting when the leader turned up in polo shirt, shorts and sandals.]

Swindon's success in that period embarrassed Thatcher's government as they performed better than most of the 'new towns' who had substantial government grants, support and funding.

The early East Swindon expansion was in the 1970's when they re-housed many London 'overspill' residents.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I know, let’s build another Stevenage

On second thoughts, let’s not 👍

I'll see your Stevenage and raise you a Cumbernauld.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'll see your Stevenage and raise you a Cumbernauld.

Would you live there?