Inactive handicap...

[duncan mackie]

Sorry, I don't think it does. You are quoting from the old 2008-2011 UHS handbook. This does not cover inactive handicaps and the paragraphs you refer to cover lapsed handicaps which are not the same thing. Inactive handicaps were only introduced in about 2009 or 2010 and the rules were an addendum to the handbook.

The current UHS handbook states......

25. England Golf direct that the handicap of any player, in whatever Category who fails to return a
stipulated minimum number of Qualifying Scores in the previous calendar year shall be marked as
an ‘Inactive Handicap’.

ALTERINGTHE STATUSOF AHANDICAP
26.4 A player whose status of handicap has under the provision of Clause 25. been marked as an ’Inactive
handicap’ can regain a Playing Handicap by submitting a minimum of three Qualifying Scores to the
Handicap Committee.
26.5 When a handicap is being regained in accordance with Clause 26.4, the Handicap Committee should
record the scores submitted by the Member in the Players Handicap Record, adjusting the Exact
Handicap and Playing Handicap as appropriate, and alter the Status of Handicap to ‘Active’.


This basically means "play in 3 qualifying comps", not "put 3 cards in". The software handles the recording and adjustments and should change the status automatically.

Thank you for your patience as much as anything else!

It would appear that the version of the CONGU® Unified Handicapping System 2012 – 2015 I hastely accessed is not as it claims. Fortunately you have corrected in this thread and I don't think I've posted from it anywhere else. Back to the paper copy! Looking at it further it looks like it's got parts of both

Thank you again.

 

[rosecott]

26.3 A player whose status of handicap has under the provision of Clause 25.
(a) not been marked as a ’Competition Handicap’, or
(b) has been marked as an ’Inactive Handicap’
can regain a Playing Handicap after he has complied with the requirements of Clause 16.2.
26.4 When a handicap is being regained in accordance with Clause 26.3, the Handicap Committee should
proceed as required by Clause 16 and in addition give due consideration to the handicap the player
last held, his age and potential playing ability.

Disagreement solved.

You are quoting from the Scottish edition, me from the English edition. I am quite surprised as I thought the booklets would be the same with an appendix highlighting differences. My apologies for not realising that we weren't singing from the same hymnsheet.

P.S.

You can access the different national UHS booklets on the CONGU website.

 

[Leftie]

I'm due to play my first round of our summer matchplay knockout on Sunday but my opponent has an inactive handicap...

Where I play, it is a condition of entry to the KO comps that you have an active h/cap.

As others have said, in other comps (medals/stablefords/etc) those with an inactive h/cap are allowed to enter but cannot win any prize/trophy. Best way to get the h/cap active again.

 

[duncan mackie]

Disagreement solved.

You are quoting from the Scottish edition, me from the English edition. I am quite surprised as I thought the booklets would be the same with an appendix highlighting differences. My apologies for not realising that we weren't singing from the same hymnsheet.

P.S.

You can access the different national UHS booklets on the CONGU website.

Well, thank you for that; I'm not as mad as I thought I was!

However, this opens a whole new can of worms in terms of advice. It is indeed the Scottish Edition, but I too thought they were one and the same with the exception of the ESA where SGU are not participating at this stage.

So an inactive SGU handicap gets replaced with a new allocation from 3 cards but taking into account the pre i handicap - but the EGU inactive effectively submits 3 Q or S cards and the i handicap is adjusted to these cards. Wow - that has the potential for significant differences in treatment.

 

[Kellfire]

Handicap secretary got back to me last night, saying that he believes the player in question is in the process of getting the cards that he needs in so I've replied asking should we postpone our game (currently booked in for this Sunday) until closer to the deadline for the game to be played in the middle of May.

I do feel a bit arsey asking these questions because I know how it looks but I know I'm doing nothing wrong.

 

[Twire]

Handicap secretary got back to me last night, saying that he believes the player in question is in the process of getting the cards that he needs in so I've replied asking should we postpone our game (currently booked in for this Sunday) until closer to the deadline for the game to be played in the middle of May.

I do feel a bit arsey asking these questions because I know how it looks but I know I'm doing nothing wrong.

There's nothing like sitting on the fence. Your secretary should make a decision. He's either active or inactive, and if your comps say you need an active h'cap to win then then the secretary should notify your opponent that he needs to get his handicap active before playing in the knockout.

 

[pbrown7582]

Can't see you've done any wrong in asking the question and I think it's your opponents Responsibility to get his handicap active before playing your match, the kop out reply you had from handicap sec hasn't helped bet it would be different if a new member joined with a 28 society handicap would they allow that while he was in the process of getting an official Congu handicap?

 

[Crazyface]

What if you are between clubs? ie you leave one club where your H/C was active and are looking for another. how long does your H/C stay active?

 

[Twire]

What if you are between clubs? ie you leave one club where your H/C was active and are looking for another. how long does your H/C stay active?

You need to be a member of an affiliated club to have an official CONGU handicap and as soon as you leave, you know longer have a handicap.

 

[Kellfire]

Just seen the draw for our pairs knockout and guess what... again I've been drawn against someone who is inactive.

It never rains...

Thankfully at the end of the email it says...

"One or two players have inactive handicaps. These must be reactivated before playing your match."

 

[RGDave]

Whoa....this thread is way too long for work.

Anyhow. I'm entered for some knock-out stuff at my club. If I don't fix my inactive h'cap before the matches are due to be played, then I won't be able to play.

I've not been offered much advice re; rules, but I wouldn't play with an inactive h'cap nor would I be happy to play against someone else.

 

[Kellfire]

Following the earlier email about the pairs knockout I have bitten the bullet and emailed my singles opponent to advise that he'll need to get active before we can play our match. I've offered to play on Sunday as arranged but as a qualifying round to sign his card if that's an acceptable way for him to get one of his cards in.

Decent compromise I think for now. We still have over two weeks to play the game.

 

[pbrown7582]

following the earlier email about the pairs knockout i have bitten the bullet and emailed my singles opponent to advise that he'll need to get active before we can play our match. I've offered to play on sunday as arranged but as a qualifying round to sign his card if that's an acceptable way for him to get one of his cards in.

Decent compromise i think for now. We still have over two weeks to play the game.

sounds the fairest way to procede and puts the ball in your oppos court.

 

[duncan mackie]

sounds the fairest way to procede and puts the ball in your oppos court.

sounds good but do not underestimate 2 weeks! make sure you can arrange a date that suits you both within the required deadline NOW, and if he doesn't have his handicap active by that date he effectively concedes.

how many cards has he already put in? if he's using supplementals rather than competition rounds he has a problem already unless he's already part way through the process - 1 a week?

the above reflects experiences as a player, and comp sec, about how the accomadating player or pair can suddenly find themselves in difficulty when going out of their way in the early stages. what you have proposed is excellent, I wish more players would do similar.

 

[Kellfire]

sounds good but do not underestimate 2 weeks! make sure you can arrange a date that suits you both within the required deadline NOW, and if he doesn't have his handicap active by that date he effectively concedes.

how many cards has he already put in? if he's using supplementals rather than competition rounds he has a problem already unless he's already part way through the process - 1 a week?

the above reflects experiences as a player, and comp sec, about how the accomadating player or pair can suddenly find themselves in difficulty when going out of their way in the early stages. what you have proposed is excellent, I wish more players would do similar.

He hasn't replied to my emails yet, I'm not sure he has access to do so at all times when working out of the UK. When he does and/or I see him on Sunday I will discuss the time and date the match must be completed by. I hope it doesn't come down to me qualifying to the next round by default but if his handicap isn't active by then it's the only alternative.

 

[Kellfire]

He got active on Tuesday after completing the rounds he needed to and I beat him 2&1 on Wednesday. A happy ending!

 

[rosecott]

He got active on Tuesday after completing the rounds he needed to and I beat him 2&1 on Wednesday. A happy ending!

Good result and you must be pleased that you went out of your way to be fair.

 

[Kellfire]

Good result and you must be pleased that you went out of your way to be fair.

Yea and in fairness he was totally fine with it all. Turns out he works for an airline, hence the strange living pattern!

I was 3 up after 3 but that was as big a lead as I had at any stage and after he took the 9th and 10th to peg me back to 1 up I thought I was in real trouble when his tee shot at the par 3 11th ended up within about five yards. Thankfully I stuck a PW to a foot and tapped in for birdie to kill his momentum and we traded mostly halves until I finished it was a halve on the 17th.