Immigration - Benefits

You see OPORTUNITY ( and I applaud you for that) most see free schooling, benefits, housing and medical care. I have no problem with those who see opportunity and seek to contribute, my problem is with those who seek to take and take ( I include my own countrymen in that). We are seen as a soft touch and it is just wrong that we are expected to support immigrants from anywhere who are not trying to support themselves merely to sponge off the UK taxpayer,
 
Adi2Dassler said:
I live and work in Leith, Edinburgh.The area is well known as the centre of Sub-Indian continent immigration in the 70's/80's/90's...the two main streets, Leith Walk and Great Junction Street and known for the shops being ran/owned by Indians/Bangaldeshi/Pakistanis.
In the last 5 years, Leith has become the centre of the Polish influx.We now have Polish shops,bars,hairdressers etc,All paying tax, all working, all contributing to the pot and the local community.Leith is also very well known as being well populated by junkies, Trainspotting etc....cheers Irvine!

I see junkies everyday all day, drug dealers selling scripts, whole families reliant on govt handouts.To man,woman and child, they're all white,Scottish and at least 2/3rd generation Edinburgh.

The problem lies with the lazy indigenous people who refuse to work, collect various benefits and are coddled by the nanny state.The problem is not the immigration numbers, it's the lazy work shy locals who have a sense of entitlement endorsed by govt.
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Absolutely spot on Adi2
 
MarkA said:
The issue here is no one minds immigrants like the Polish who came over to work.
However you tell me what Romanians and Bulgarians and Albanians ( basically third world countries) can offer besides organised crime and then tell me they are prepared to pay taxes. All they want is what they can get!
Ps don't ever believe a Government White Paper!
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Or The Daily Mail.
 
Officially we have 2.5 million unemployed [I actually believe the figure to be higher than this]... Until we have ZERO unemployment then the 'doors' should remain firmly shut... Lets get Britain working first then worry about the rest of the world second...
 
Romanians, Bulgarians and indeed Albanians earn very little in wages. Everyone knows this even immigration supporters. If they can scrape enough money together to get here when they do arrive how can they afford to pay rent in places like London or other major cities as that is where they will head for, even if and it is an if they can get minimum wage work? If they bring family which they will, they will hardly leave them in their respective countries,they will be entitled to medical, dental, and schooling. This costs money. They cannot possibly support themselves and will end up costing the tax payer. As a civilised country we will not be in a position to say no to these people and allow them to live on the streets with children it is inevitable that they will cost us money. When they do not find work and many will not where will they go? Will the government repatriate them or just allow them to access the benefit system? Of course they will allow them to access benefits. They have no choice in the matter. The Immigrants know this and will take advantage of this fact. That is my opinion. Why would anyone leave their home for a worse life than they currently have? No one does that. They know they will be looked after by the British tax payer.
 
MegaSteve said:
Officially we have 2.5 million unemployed [I actually believe the figure to be higher than this]... Until we have ZERO unemployment then the 'doors' should remain firmly shut... Lets get Britain working first then worry about the rest of the world second...
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But what happens when the desperately hard working indigenous population don't want to take some of those pesky jobs that ensure you can get cheap food, as they are not paying well enough for them?
 
Was it just me that watched at the Olympic opening ceremony and was proud to be British. Was it just me who was proud GB being one of the most tolerant and progressive societies in the world? Was it just me who thought that it was only GB that could have an opening ceremony that could include lesbian kisses, the Sex Pistols, the NHS, the industrial revolution and a song by a band called **** Buttons (please mods do not mod me for this, they are a genuine group and they were played at the opening ceremony and heard by the the queen!). Did the opening ceremony not show what was great about modern Britain?

We live in a multicutural and mostly tolerant society with a long tradition of social care which brings many benefits and of course problems. And people will have a different view of whether the benefits our society brings over weighs the problems. I am one one side of that argument and I would much rather live in GB than anywhere else that does not welcome people that are not born in that country.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Was it just me that watched at the Olympic opening ceremony and was proud to be British. Was it just me who was proud GB being one of the most tolerant and progressive societies in the world? Was it just me who thought that it was only GB that could have an opening ceremony that could include lesbian kisses, the Sex Pistols, the NHS, the industrial revolution and a song by a band called **** Buttons (please mods do not mod me for this, they are a genuine group and they were played at the opening ceremony and heard by the the queen!). Did the opening ceremony not show what was great about modern Britain?

We live in a multicutural and mostly tolerant society with a long tradition of social care which brings many benefits and of course problems. And people will have a different view of whether the benefits our society brings over weighs the problems. I am one one side of that argument and I would much rather live in GB than anywhere else that does not welcome people that are not born in that country.
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No, it was not only you, It was also all the people that live here and love the country for what it is and what we have made it. We created a National Health Service, not an International Health Service, we started an Industrial revolution through the hard work and determination of british people to improve their lives by sweat and toil, we stood firm against the threats of those that wanted domination over other countries and paid for our freedom with the lives of our forefathers.

It's true we live in a multicultural society, we were never asked if we wanted to live in such a society but the political elite decided that this is what we needed. It's true we are a tolerant society but that tolerance is running very thin now as we see a country that is no longer national but multi national where cultures decide not to integrate but stay 'foreign'' in their outlook, often refusing to learn the language of their new homeland.

We have always welcomed people from other countries but our welcome has limits when it starts to erode the fabric of our society. In short, there are just too many people here and we do not have the money, space or resource to support this growth any longer.

Regarding the free movement of labour in the EU, it is a worthy commitment but it has a major flaw. Unless countries joining the EU have a certain level of wealth and social security then the movement of labour will encourage unsustainable movements of people looking only to take advantage of the social benefits on offer from wealthier countries. This is not what the open borders was designed for.
 
SocketRocket said:
No, it was not only you, It was also all the people that live here and love the country for what it is and what we have made it. We created a National Health Service, not an International Health Service, we started an Industrial revolution through the hard work and determination of british people to improve their lives by sweat and toil, we stood firm against the threats of those that wanted domination over other countries and paid for our freedom with the lives of our forefathers.

It's true we live in a multicultural society, we were never asked if we wanted to live in such a society but the political elite decided that this is what we needed. It's true we are a tolerant society but that tolerance is running very thin now as we see a country that is no longer national but multi national where cultures decide not to integrate but stay 'foreign'' in their outlook, often refusing to learn the language of their new homeland.

We have always welcomed people from other countries but our welcome has limits when it starts to erode the fabric of our society. In short, there are just too many people here and we do not have the money, space or resource to support this growth any longer.

Regarding the free movement of labour in the EU, it is a worthy commitment but it has a major flaw. Unless countries joining the EU have a certain level of wealth and social security then the movement of labour will encourage unsustainable movements of people looking only to take advantage of the social benefits on offer from wealthier countries. This is not what the open borders was designed for.
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I would find it difficult to argue with any of that.
 
Should be like Australia with the points system etc. for getting in. Too much of an easy touch this country now.
 
I agree with that. The one thing Australia has going for it is that it is far enough away from the absolute disaster that is Europe.
 
MegaSteve said:
Officially we have 2.5 million unemployed [I actually believe the figure to be higher than this]... Until we have ZERO unemployment then the 'doors' should remain firmly shut... Lets get Britain working first then worry about the rest of the world second...
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Unfortunately, a large proportion of the 2.5 million are unemployable.
 
Been reading this right from the start and some very valid points are made. Socketrockets post has to be the best of the lot I cannot argue with a word he has said. Drawboy is also right when he quotes Australia, I have old school pals that live and work in Oz and have been over many times and can see why people are trying to go there as it is a stunning place and the lifestyle is second to none but it is a real tough place to get into as I have looked into it myself and hopefully when I have completed my BA Hons I will stand a chance. Anyone trying to get into the country that does not meet the criteria are put on the next available plane and sent back from whence they came, none of this holding centre rubbish that we have where they end up absconding and never seen again. Also I agree with Drawboys point about Oz being away from Europe being a bonus as it is a real mess and I personally cannot see it ever getting better as the problems are to far gone. The only way to curb immigration properly is to scrap the benefits system altogether which will never happen as it is a vote loser for the political parties. There are to many people on the dole both immigrants and non immigrants that simply refuse to work, we have to start making these people take jobs or they get all benefits stopped.
 
Coming from a completely different angle, as a serving prison officer, then why are so many of these so called hard working eastern europeans residing at her majestys pleasure?
 
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