Immigration - Benefits

[Adi2Dassler]

Having never been I imagine Leith as being full of sunshine, thanks to The Proclaimers. Quality song by the way.

Leith is full of many things,sunshine is not one of them...Craig (or Charlie) sits behind me at Easter Road, kinda weird before every game when they play that.

 

[patricks148]

Many are saying immigration is good for our economy, but I just can’t see it. It’s true many come here to work, but many are minimum wage jobs so are not paying much in tax if anything. Many have also brought over their children, wives who all have access to the NHS and education. Most these are already under a huge strain and its going to get worse.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Many are saying immigration is good for our economy, but I just can’t see it. It’s true many come here to work, but many are minimum wage jobs so are not paying much in tax if anything. Many have also brought over their children, wives who all have access to the NHS and education. Most these are already under a huge strain and its going to get worse.

they spend their wages here,though.And with our decreasing pool of workers, their kids will become workers,tax payers etc.

I agree that numbers need to be looked at, but immigration is vital to the economy.

 

[MarkA]

Dear Daily Mail.....

So HK what do you propose?

 

[Phil2511]

Many are saying immigration is good for our economy, but I just can’t see it. It’s true many come here to work, but many are minimum wage jobs so are not paying much in tax if anything. Many have also brought over their children, wives who all have access to the NHS and education. Most these are already under a huge strain and its going to get worse.

I asked at the school why was my youngest doing the same work in P2 that the oldest did in P1 and why was my old P4 teacher now teaching my oldest the same work in P5.

The answer was that due to the amount of foreign national children that didn't know their ABC or count to 10 etc when they hit primary school and the fact that their parents did not speak English at home is the reason why the kids are now a year behind what they would have been 5 years ago.

 

[sajkox]

1. language - english is most common thats why ppl come to UK (although some ppl dont speak eng at all :O its usually when they know some1 here already)
2. because they work for less business grows faster and b. owners pay more taxes (not like som1 suggested that they pay min tax so it makes no sense economically)
3. in terms of using benefits - immigrants abuse the system much less than natives (you can google it out)

 

[MarkA]

1. language - english is most common thats why ppl come to UK (although some ppl dont speak eng at all :O its usually when they know some1 here already)
2. because they work for less business grows faster and b. owners pay more taxes (not like som1 suggested that they pay min tax so it makes no sense economically)
3. in terms of using benefits - immigrants abuse the system much less than natives (you can google it out)

It'd be nice if you could use English instead of text speak - some1 ?????

In response to your points:
1. If you can't speak English why to come to the country in the first place without learning the language? Why should we be responsible for immigrants learning our language?
2. What evidence have you got to back that up?
3. Again, quote your source and are you quoting a percentage or actual numbers?

 

[sajkox]

It'd be nice if you could use English instead of text speak - some1 ?????

Sorry about that

1. If you can't speak English why to come to the country in the first place without learning the language? Why should we be responsible for immigrants learning our language?

While I can't answer for those people - I've seen many of them actually working without issues. And I believe they come here without knowing the language (which is quite brave imo) because they can't find a job in home coutry / can't live for the money they earn there. Again just my opinion

2. What evidence have you got to back that up?

I don't think I need to back it up as its self explanatory and obvious (imo)

3. Again, quote your source and are you quoting a percentage or actual numbers?

Read a whitepaper that had percentages. Sorry, but I'm not bothered to look it up

 

[SocketRocket]

In my opinion it's nothing to do with immigrants working, it's that the country is overpopulated. We already have enough people in the country to do the work, what we need to do is stop paying benefits to those that refuse to do it, we then wont need to have more people coming here and putting the countries resources under stress. We have the best Universities and schools in the world, we should be able to train our people to do any job.

Something else that concerns me is the lack of integration into British Life by many immigrants, multi culturalism is OK but multi nationalism and a lack of integration is a disaster. The Nation is becoming very divided.

 

[triple_bogey]

Tiger Woods, is he back? Please.

Stupid question, of course he's back................now back on topic! :thup:

 

[Liverbirdie]

Hey everybody take a look at me,
I've got street credibility,
I may not have a job,
But I have a good time,
With the boys that I meet "down on the line"
I said, I - DON'T - NEED - YOU
So you don't approve,
Well who asked you to?
HEY - JERK - YOU - WORK
This boy's got better things to do
Hell,
I ain't never gonna work, get down in the dirt,
I choose, to cruise.
Gonna live my life, sharp as a knife,
I've found my groove and I just can't lose.
A.1. style from head to toe,
Cool cat flash gonna let you know,
I'm a soul boy - I'm a dole boy,
Take pleasure in leisure, I believe in joy!

Wham have the answer to everything! ​

 

[Qwerty]

Hey everybody take a look at me,
I've got street credibility,
I may not have a job,
But I have a good time,
With the boys that I meet "down on the line"
I said, I - DON'T - NEED - YOU
So you don't approve,
Well who asked you to?
HEY - JERK - YOU - WORK
This boy's got better things to do
Hell,
I ain't never gonna work, get down in the dirt,
I choose, to cruise.
Gonna live my life, sharp as a knife,
I've found my groove and I just can't lose.
A.1. style from head to toe,
Cool cat flash gonna let you know,
I'm a soul boy - I'm a dole boy,
Take pleasure in leisure, I believe in joy!

Wham have the answer to everything! ​

Youve got to love the Video, it's got to be the Cheesiest of all time

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[MarkA]

The issue here is no one minds immigrants like the Polish who came over to work.
However you tell me what Romanians and Bulgarians and Albanians ( basically third world countries) can offer besides organised crime and then tell me they are prepared to pay taxes. All they want is what they can get!
Ps don't ever believe a Government White Paper!

 

[sydney greenstreet]

Maybe if a wage was at a decent level it would not be better off to be on benefits than working.

 

[drawboy]

Anyone know the figures for British folk migrating out of the UK.
I believe it is not very different to those coming in.

Just checked, over 400,000. Mainly to Spain.

I do not think I will be far off saying that virtually everyone of those 400,000 will be self sufficient IE not releying on council housing, and benefits. I agree the country needs immigration but what the country does not need is more office cleaners,farm workers and pot washers/bar/restaurant staff. We have those here already but because they get paid more to stay at home they will not take those positions. We need to get our own off their bums and into these jobs by restricting their benefits. The dole was and is supposed to be a short term helping hand between jobs not a lifestyle choice for those leaving school and never contributing to the pot.

 

[drawboy]

they spend their wages here,though.And with our decreasing pool of workers, their kids will become workers,tax payers etc.

And unfortunately due to the education they have received from here will leave school with the same qualifications as your Son/Daughter and then go out into the job market and compete for the same jobs thus reducing the chances of your offspring gaining employment. Sorry but that cannot be denied as it will happen.

 

[drawboy]

Hey everybody take a look at me,
I've got street credibility,
I may not have a job,
But I have a good time,
With the boys that I meet "down on the line"
I said, I - DON'T - NEED - YOU
So you don't approve,
Well who asked you to?
HEY - JERK - YOU - WORK
This boy's got better things to do
Hell,
I ain't never gonna work, get down in the dirt,
I choose, to cruise.
Gonna live my life, sharp as a knife,
I've found my groove and I just can't lose.
A.1. style from head to toe,
Cool cat flash gonna let you know,
I'm a soul boy - I'm a dole boy,
Take pleasure in leisure, I believe in joy!

Wham have the answer to everything! ​

Absolutely fantastic!!!
But also in the wise words of WHam if you are a Romainian farm worker Britain is

Club Tropicana, drinks are free
Fun and sunshine, there's enough for everyone
All that's missing is the sea
But don't worry you can suntan. Ok I went too far with the suntan bit, but you get the drift.

 

[Captainron]

I am an immigrant. Came here in 2000 to play a bit of cricket and stayed on as I have always had a British passport.

Fact is that here you have free health care. Free schooling. A system that pays you when you don't/can't earn money. Housing benefits for those on low/no income.

In many other countries when you are out of work you get nothing. Medical facilities are basic and inadequate. Schools cost money to go to and the education provided there very basic.

When I first came to Leeds I was driven through Harehills which is a low income area with a large immigrant population. The guy who drove me said, 'I can't believe how these (insert an odious word) live in such a (4 letter word) hole!' I said 'where I come from these would be considered luxury for about 30 million people.' The thing is you have OPPORTUNITY here. The majority of the world envies Britain. Of course people are going to want to come here because its way better than what they have where they come from.

Now those of you who have met me know that I am not going to win any beauty contests but prior to me leaving South Africa I was offered money to marry a very attractive girl so that she could move over here with me. This was a girl who came from a middle class white family and had a good education.

If Britain had better weather you would have to put barbed wire around the place to keep everyone out!

 

[Liverbirdie]

Absolutely fantastic!!!
But also in the wise words of WHam if you are a Romainian farm worker Britain is

Club Tropicana, drinks are free
Fun and sunshine, there's enough for everyone
All that's missing is the sea
But don't worry you can suntan. Ok I went too far with the suntan bit, but you get the drift.

Things you never expect in life:Getting outquoted over Wham lyrics, with regards to immigration, on a golf forum.
Love it.:whoo:

 

[Hacker Khan]

I was offered money to marry a very attractive girl so that she could move over here with me. This was a girl who came from a middle class white family and had a good education.

Isn't that what's know as a win win win situation? Please don't tell me you said no?