FairwayDodger
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Ok, last word from me, honest.
There are valid reasons for withholding information from the public. The fact that it might be upsetting or unsettling is not one of them.
How should the UK government deal with IS?
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Ok, last word from me, honest.
There are valid reasons for withholding information from the public. The fact that it might be upsetting or unsettling is not one of them.
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And I'm going to suggest the information that will be withheld will be the gory details as opposed to the actions of the guys on the ground and not being covered up to ensure no public outcry from what I have witnessed and the briefs I have been in
Our guys work within the Geneva Convention - when they haven't the public have found out and they have been punished for those actions.
Any information withheld will be for security reasons and the finite details are gory and the public don't need or wish to know them
Foxholer
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H'mm. Not entirely convinced about that! That all comes down to trust! And there have been sufficient cover-ups identified to threaten that trust by many!
To mimic Rumsfeld... The public have only found out about the ones they have found out about, and are blissfully unaware of the ones they are unaware of - but should be informed about!
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Old Skier
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I wouldn't get over exited by some of the statements made on here. Very rare is it for anything to sinister being done in your name other than the star rating of the hotels the RAF are keen to use. A couple on here make it sound like they were the 101 and 102 man on the balcony.
Old Skier
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No further resolution was required as an interim Afgan government was in place who authorized action of foreign troops in their country.
What on earth would we do without our very own in house football/military and just about any subject that comes up expert Phillip... The importance that you speak with really is staggering!!!
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Got to love the US and their welfare vans !
MadAdey
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I have missed thread and what is being said due to the time difference and having not long been awake. I did not just chuck an Internet bomb in and sit back to watch the fun, that was no my intent.
My earlier statement wasn't regarding things being covered up to keep people out of trouble for carrying out illegal operations, but more aimed at the people that are in shock when pictures of coffins getting taken out the of aircraft appear on the news. If some people knew about every time someone lost a limb or was on life support in these war zones they would go off their mind with worry knowing their 20 year old daughter is out there. Most if not all parents know that it is a dangerous place out there, but like to bury their head in the sand and believe their spouses and children are safe and that is not a dig at those people, as everyone has to deal with things in their own way.
My earlier statement wasn't regarding things being covered up to keep people out of trouble for carrying out illegal operations, but more aimed at the people that are in shock when pictures of coffins getting taken out the of aircraft appear on the news. If some people knew about every time someone lost a limb or was on life support in these war zones they would go off their mind with worry knowing their 20 year old daughter is out there. Most if not all parents know that it is a dangerous place out there, but like to bury their head in the sand and believe their spouses and children are safe and that is not a dig at those people, as everyone has to deal with things in their own way.
MadAdey
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Let's look at withholding information this way......
the SAS go in and take down a prominent leader of the Taliban, does the public need to know anymore than that?
Do you need to know how?
Who was the informant that gave us the intelligence to find him?
Who the members of the SAS where?
How many shots got fired?
How much it cost?
what do people want to know?
the SAS go in and take down a prominent leader of the Taliban, does the public need to know anymore than that?
Do you need to know how?
Who was the informant that gave us the intelligence to find him?
Who the members of the SAS where?
How many shots got fired?
How much it cost?
what do people want to know?
MadAdey
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That is the greatest reason to withhold stuff. Do you have family members in the Armed Forces? If you do, are you not happier to think that they are safe and going to return home in one piece. Spraying every last little thing all over the news does not do that, I know my mum was scared stupid that something would happen to me out there and that would not have been made any better by worrying her.
G1BB0
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easy answer to all world issues
send in these guys, problem sorted :thup:
send in these guys, problem sorted :thup:
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scottbrown
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All I want to know is that my family and loved ones are safe and that our armed services are doing all that can to ensure that remains the case. How they go about that I have no care. I trust and believe in the forces and believe they do whatever needs to be done to protect overweigh, unfitting balding guys like me who cannot protect his family from evil.
Big respect to all that have or are serving in the forces.
All I want to know is that my family and loved ones are safe and that our armed services are doing all that can to ensure that remains the case. How they go about that I have no care. I trust and believe in the forces and believe they do whatever needs to be done to protect overweigh, unfitting balding guys like me who cannot protect his family from evil.
Big respect to all that have or are serving in the forces.
MadAdey
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That is my point, start telling every single little thing that happens and maybe the public will start to worry. People like yourself (and that is by no means a dig at you) want to live in a country free from terror and feel that the people trying to get this for you are safe and sound. You are happy for the armed forces, by whatever means possible within the laws of the Geneva convention, to go to far away lands and carry out their jobs in your name.
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scottbrown
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Exactly.
I am not qualified to tell you how to do your job, anymore I guess than you are to do mine.
And as bad as it sounds, sometimes ignorance of the full truth is bliss.
SocketRocket
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I dont believe anyone has suggested gory details should be reported, they have been talking about strategy.. No one is suggesting operations that would affect National Security should be broadcast either.
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I'm pretty sure the military strategy will be on a need to know basis - the public most certainly do not need to know the strategy of any operation and I'm pretty sure broadcasting the strategy is just the thing that would compromise any operation and national security.
Foxholer
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Ah! Of course! All legit then - though not 'cleared by Security Councils', or at least not the UN one, anymore. Phew!
SocketRocket
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The operations are part of a strategy. It's the way you organise things, you have an overall Strategy, for example to reduce the threat of ISIS, you then need to plan how this can be achieved by considering the following: 1) Objectives 2) Actions 3) Resources. The Public have a need to know the Strategic plan and operational outcomes in as much detail as they can be given that does not compromise National Security or would be particularly disturbing in it's detail.
Thats my view anyway and I guess to assist with stopping the discussion going around in circles anymore 'I'm out' :thup:
