scottbrown
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Following on from the video released last night of another UK citizen being beheaded by IS, what would you like DCs next move to be?
How should the UK government deal with IS?
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What more can the government do bar troops on the ground ?
Air strikes to strategic targets have been increased
Air strikes to strategic targets have been increased
MadAdey
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Like you said Phil, nothing more the can do. I think a government statement making it even more clear than it is how dangerous it is out there and get all those aid workers and journalists to leave the area before more of them are captured. Why do people with a Red Cross on their shirt or a journalism degree think that they are invincible, these people really do not care about your life and will kill anyone.
scottbrown
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=098_1412378328
As is said in this statement from IS though, they want western troops on the ground.
Maybe it's time to up the ante, give the country notice so the innocent can leave and then absolutely flatten it from the air leaving nothing.
As is said in this statement from IS though, they want western troops on the ground.
Maybe it's time to up the ante, give the country notice so the innocent can leave and then absolutely flatten it from the air leaving nothing.
Hacker Khan
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Thanks for that Dr Kissinger....
scottbrown
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And your approach would be?
Let's be honest, do people really think that there is any chance of diplomacy with IS? I don't think so.
Imurg
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What needs to happen now is for every Country...every single one....to mobilise against IS.
They are not doing this in the name of Islam, they are using Islam as a shield.
All Muslims across the World need to unite with everyone else to exterminate IS as they are dragging true Muslims into the gutter.
The whole World needs to declare absolute Shock and Awe war on these peasants and eradicate them as soon as possible.
Is there any other way to stop it...?
They are not doing this in the name of Islam, they are using Islam as a shield.
All Muslims across the World need to unite with everyone else to exterminate IS as they are dragging true Muslims into the gutter.
The whole World needs to declare absolute Shock and Awe war on these peasants and eradicate them as soon as possible.
Is there any other way to stop it...?
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And just where are the innocent majority to go and who and how is the country to be rebuilt afterwards.
Hacker Khan
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Believe it or not there may be some middle ground between flattening an entire area and just talking to them.
And ever considered that if you give them notice then the terrorists will leave as well? Which puts a bit of a spanner in your well thought out plans...
scottbrown
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This is true, so as I asked In earlier post, what would your approach be? as you seem very clear on what it shouldn't be...
Not sure there's a definitive answer. Dialogue clearly not going to work and military intervention comes at enormous risk and cost. What about the innocents. Where do they go and how do you stop IS merely slipping out as well and starting again at a later date. Not sure how effective airstrikes will be in isolation either
pokerjoke
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I was watching a TV programme the other day and a expert was saying that they cover an area the size
of the UK,that could take some time,in fact years.
The trouble is there will always be other groups waiting to take over.
This type of terror could go on for ever.
Hacker Khan
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Much as is currently happening. You build a consensus between other Islamic states and neighbours that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable through dialogue. And also get them involved if you can in military action. Whilst at the same time you try and reduce their capabilities through targeted military action, trying to reduce as much as possible the innocent civilian victims.
Engaging in some kind of blanket bombing which may well get rid of some terrorists, but will also kill innocent civilians will only act as the best recruitment tool they have ever had.
Ethan
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They should deal with dangerous people leaving and entering the country to join them, maintain intelligence for domestic threats and otherwise encourage and support (with diplomacy and advice) Saudi and other local states who wish/need to take action. That is all.
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Faceless terrorism is quite possibly the most difficult battle any country faces. You're not fighting a nation, so indiscriminate bombing of the place is out. Troops on the ground is expensive and when the body bags come home usually unpalatable. Targeted air strikes is probably the best we can do at the moment.
Mind you, we could always go down the 'Irish route', identify the leaders and get them on the payroll. What odds on an IS leader getting nominated for a Nobel peace prize in 20 years?
The 2nd paragraph is tounge planted firmly in cheek, but scratch the surface of (imo only, no evidence to back it up) any large scale terrorist organisation conflict and you'll find dialogue on going between Government intermediaries and terrorist intermediaries. Regardless of any military solution here, if we want peace in the predominantly Muslim middle east regions (in this case) then dialogue will be required, as unpalatable as it obviously is.
Oh, and a genuine effort to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and being all to willing to send troops in to protect the oil interests of rich (I presume) yanks might go a long way to solving the issue.
For the record, in case my post gets misinterpreted, I find the killing of innocent civilians abhorrent, whether by bombing, beheading or the bullet.
Mind you, we could always go down the 'Irish route', identify the leaders and get them on the payroll. What odds on an IS leader getting nominated for a Nobel peace prize in 20 years?
The 2nd paragraph is tounge planted firmly in cheek, but scratch the surface of (imo only, no evidence to back it up) any large scale terrorist organisation conflict and you'll find dialogue on going between Government intermediaries and terrorist intermediaries. Regardless of any military solution here, if we want peace in the predominantly Muslim middle east regions (in this case) then dialogue will be required, as unpalatable as it obviously is.
Oh, and a genuine effort to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries and being all to willing to send troops in to protect the oil interests of rich (I presume) yanks might go a long way to solving the issue.
For the record, in case my post gets misinterpreted, I find the killing of innocent civilians abhorrent, whether by bombing, beheading or the bullet.
MadAdey
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You can't fight these extremists. For everyone you kill there are another 10 being trained, the only way to get at them is to get the cooperation of the people that live there to help identify these people. So going in a bloody great big bomb is not really going to help is it as that just turns not just a nation, but a complete race of people against us.
it is not world war 2 and we aren't fighting people walking around in uniforms with German flags on them. These people just look like every other person in that country and they then just appear armed when they get told to and kill people. It is a war that can't be won, just controlled, exactly the same as Afghanistan, Vietnam and every other country the western world have gone after in recent years.
it is not world war 2 and we aren't fighting people walking around in uniforms with German flags on them. These people just look like every other person in that country and they then just appear armed when they get told to and kill people. It is a war that can't be won, just controlled, exactly the same as Afghanistan, Vietnam and every other country the western world have gone after in recent years.
bladeplayer
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My answer which is probably in reaction and without much sensible consideration is i will get the list of terrorists they want freed and every time they kill someone kill one of them ,
of course tho "civilised" society cannot act this way for many "reasons" and hey ho this is how alot of problems in modern society have mushroomed , softly softly re educate instead of punish , make prisons hotels instead of placed to fear & dread returning to ,
Anyhow in reality unless these scum have factories they have to be sourcing there armoury and ammo somewhere , gota source this and stop the flow ,,
meanwhile home on the farm as we are piling resources on IS , al quieda [sp] an their like are building away nicely in the shadow
MODS I hope theres is nothing untoword in this post if there is feel free to delete rather than edit it , thank u
of course tho "civilised" society cannot act this way for many "reasons" and hey ho this is how alot of problems in modern society have mushroomed , softly softly re educate instead of punish , make prisons hotels instead of placed to fear & dread returning to ,
Anyhow in reality unless these scum have factories they have to be sourcing there armoury and ammo somewhere , gota source this and stop the flow ,,
meanwhile home on the farm as we are piling resources on IS , al quieda [sp] an their like are building away nicely in the shadow
MODS I hope theres is nothing untoword in this post if there is feel free to delete rather than edit it , thank u
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Foxholer
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That's not enough imo. Iraq has requested assistance and UK is in a position to assist. It all needs to be done legitimately/legally though, and, unlike Gulf 2, this (at least the Iraq portion) is legitimate/legal.
But history has shown that being insular and saying it's a 'local' problem to solve doesn't work!
SocketRocket
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There is a paradox in such situations, to destroy this type of evil entity means the deaths of many innocent civilians. This has been the case in all wars throughout history.
The choice is whether you can accept the consequences that brings the slaughter of innocents to destroy the enemy. Who can make such a choice? The answer has to be the politician and who would envy them in this choice?
The choice is whether you can accept the consequences that brings the slaughter of innocents to destroy the enemy. Who can make such a choice? The answer has to be the politician and who would envy them in this choice?
MadAdey
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Having very recently left the armed (3 months ago) and having served in lovely hot sandy places like Afghanistan, killing innocent people does not help, it only escalates the problem. These people are getting brain washed and by killing innocent people is only proving the extremists right. In Afghan a lot of work was done installing infrastructures and giving people rights as human beings, by doing that we showed that we aren't what the Taliban are claiming, we are kind compassionate people that do not a problem with their faith. This actually made these people to start cooperating with us and helping us find local leaders of the Taliban.
Now flip the coin over..............
We go on major bombing missions, killing innocent people. A wife and mother of 5 boys, educated, so does not listen to the radical preachings of these extremists, gets killed. Oooops looks like an innocent person has died, but now we have just backed up the propaganda that is spread by the extremists, with respect to we want to crush Islam and because of that they take up arms and 6 new terrorists have been created. Now imagine a 1000 innocent ladies being killed in this manner, we have now created several thousand men wanting to take up arms against us.
Now it really starts to escalate when people that are living in Western Europe and America see innocent family members being killed. They are now pissed off and the radicals that live here start to use this as propoganda to turn people to their way of thinking and a few more men willing to give their lives have been created. So by killing a few hundred innocent people, you have now turned several thousand against us. Bugger, that plan shot us up the arse didn't it, do you not think that carpet bombing the country has been discussed? But as they know it will not help, but hinder the operations out there.
So the numbers I mentioned might be a bit extreme, but do people see my point regarding flattening the country? It will just not work.
