Help For Heroes........not in Scotland apparently. :(

  • Thread starter Thread starter c1973
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Speaking as someone who has worked club & pub doors for years , there is never gona be a winner in this 1 ..


If like Barca say Celtic or Rangers decided to pay H4H to put their charity on a batch of their jerseys , does either jersey now become allowed ?
Still the same item of clothing that is not allowed just different writing ..

The barman had to make a call, which in some eyes will seem wrong & OTT & your entiltled to your opinion , but venues are allowed to have their own dress code aswel & if a member of staff thinks what you are wearing does not meet this code he/she is well entitled to refuse you..

Sorry if ya dont like it , they are the rules of our Establishment ..


As for the headline , rubbish , as for the muppet in it who will never go back to Scotland over one incident in one hotel .. Phew!!

 
Last edited:
I wouldn't advise that fella to wear that shirt if he was going for a pint in some parts of Belfast or most parts of Derry either. It should surprise nobody that it would be seen as provocative in much of Scotland either. I am sure there are a few which could cause similar offence on the other side.

Typical of The Sun to make a big deal of it, though.
 
It's a Rangers top...oh hold on - after second and third look - it's not. This is nothing to do with Scottish attitude towards H4H. It's Glasgow Rangers blue, it's Union Jacks - and it's Airdrie.
 
Last edited:
I know the hotel bar very well as this is in my home town, I was in this very bar on Saturday.

All it would have taken is one drunken fool to see that top and think Rangers and it all could have kicked off, forget the rights and wrongs of it being H4H or what ever the bottom line is it is Red, White and Blue and has a Union Jack on it and that for many people spells out Rangers and it's religious nonsense. Airdrie and Coatbridge have huge problems with sectarianism related mainly to football and I believe the bar did the right thing for those reasons.

Incidently, most other bars in the town would have done the same, the only bar that probably would have allowed it is the Bluebell Bar (deduce from that what you like).
 
FairwayDodger said:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the decision not to serve him (and I can see both sides, incidentally) anyone who decides to blame an entire country for an incident in one pub in that country is a moron.
Click to expand...

Completely agree.

Assuming that the guy in question is ignorant of the problems with sectarianism in Scotland's Central belt the only regret is that someone, Scottish or otherwise, was not available to advise him beforehand that the design of his shirt could be seen as provocative.

Whilst it is supporting a very worthwhile cause in a crowded bar or from a distance that purpose could very easily be misinterpreted.
 
Val said:
I know the hotel bar very well as this is in my home town, I was in this very bar on Saturday.

All it would have taken is one drunken fool to see that top and think Rangers and it all could have kicked off, forget the rights and wrongs of it being H4H or what ever the bottom line is it is Red, White and Blue and has a Union Jack on it and that for many people spells out Rangers and it's religious nonsense. Airdrie and Coatbridge have huge problems with sectarianism related mainly to football and I believe the bar did the right thing for those reasons.

Incidently, most other bars in the town would have done the same, the only bar that probably would have allowed it is the Bluebell Bar (deduce from that what you like).
Click to expand...

Is the bar for fans of jangly guitar based pop band The Bluebells, whose most famous hit was Young at Heart??
 
Val said:
I know the hotel bar very well as this is in my home town, I was in this very bar on Saturday.

All it would have taken is one drunken fool to see that top and think Rangers and it all could have kicked off, forget the rights and wrongs of it being H4H or what ever the bottom line is it is Red, White and Blue and has a Union Jack on it and that for many people spells out Rangers and it's religious nonsense. Airdrie and Coatbridge have huge problems with sectarianism related mainly to football and I believe the bar did the right thing for those reasons.

Incidently, most other bars in the town would have done the same, the only bar that probably would have allowed it is the Bluebell Bar (deduce from that what you like).
Click to expand...

Sad but true. As an Englishman moving to Glasgow I was shocked but mainly saddened that such sectarianism still exists. If it wasn't so worrying it would be pathetic and laughable. And for those who ask, I am Catholic but I shake my head at the behaviour on both sides of this silly divide.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The reasoning of the bar is so obvious to us who know what this shirt would be taken for in the central belt. But hey - makes a story.
Click to expand...

Yes and in particular the OP, his comment that it bears no resemblance to a football shirt is disappointing.

I showed the picture to a colleague who doesn't really follow football and he thought it was a Rangers top, another colleague who supports Rangers suggested the bar were right in their actions.

But as you say, it makes a story
 
On a recent ferry trip from Troon to Larne I had the misfortune to be joined on the ferry by a coach load of some of Ayrshire's finest walkers...heading over for a quiet stroll to the fine City of Derry...

While I have no problem with the h4h stuff most of the time some of the tshirts on display were nothing short of sectarian and highly offensive and these shirts also included the h4h logo.

This was also the first time I have seen security on the boat in the bar area. Some of the language from these passengers was also highly offensive especially in front of young children. When I highlighted this to some of them about the lack of respect for others around you can imagine the response I received. This also included some colourful language and questioned my parentage :rofl:

The sectarian/religious divide is well and truly alive unfortunately on both sides of the divide and on both sides of the Irish Sea. This is not something that is going to disappear anytime soon. :(

As a barman in the past it was the pub rule to refuse to serve anyone who had a football top on no matter what team...why... because that was the house rule and you either accepted it or drank somewhere else.

BTW If the guy in the story walked into the bar when I worked there dressed like that he would also have been refused service just like I refused to serve many folk who walked in displaying the Irish tricolour or any other celtic/rangers badges or associated tops.
 
Some interesting comments. Quite a few are what we thought they would be tbf, (disappointing, but sadly not surprising).

A few points.

It is not a football top.
It has nothing to do with Rangers.
It has even less to do with religion.
And bugger all to do with golf club dress codes.

Sadly, the bigger issue has been missed (as we thought it would be). Should the barman not be refusing to serve those who might 'kick off' ? As, surely those are the ones with the problem and not the ex serviceman who was willing to put his life on the line to protect the freedoms enjoyed by all those in the bar.

Who would you rather serve; The ex serviceman wanting a refreshing soft drink, or the knuckle dragger that thinks a blue H4H charity rugby top with a Union Jack on it is a justifiable reason to abuse someone?


He's supporting a charity for pitys sake!
A charity many on here are more than happy to support.
 
c1973 said:
Some interesting comments. Quite a few are what we thought they would be tbf, (disappointing, but sadly not surprising).

A few points.

It is not a football top.
It has nothing to do with Rangers.
It has even less to do with religion.
And bugger all to do with golf club dress codes.

Sadly, the bigger issue has been missed (as we thought it would be). Should the barman not be refusing to serve those who might 'kick off' ? As, surely those are the ones with the problem and not the ex serviceman who was willing to put his life on the line to protect the freedoms enjoyed by all those in the bar.

Who would you rather serve; The ex serviceman wanting a refreshing soft drink, or the knuckle dragger that thinks a blue H4H charity rugby top with a Union Jack on it is a justifiable reason to abuse someone?


He's supporting a charity for pitys sake!
A charity many on here are more than happy to support.
Click to expand...
But in today's society it's just not that simple, who's to say the soft drink wasn't going to be followed by alcohol and him misbehaving.
Or put a charity badge on any shirt and it makes it ok, ideal world yes, this world no!
 
Fish said:
They should call for a National vote and demand their own Help for Heroes charity division with Scottish colours only on all their merchandise and collect their own money for their own injured soldiers and build their own recovery centres, how dare Help for Heroes use the Union Jack on such merchandise to unify such a great cause :smirk:

How anyone could take or believe it could cause offence is beyond help IMO.

The place should get blackballed and everyone should blank the place, like we did with Browns here in Coventry who wouldn't serve some soldiers in uniform attending a funeral at Coventry Cathedral, that place suffered hugely and went up for for-sale soon afterwards!

Shame on the barman and the hotel owners for supporting his decision :mad:
Click to expand...

1st highlighted part.. Surprised they haven't tbh. Probably lost on most of them that the saltire is part of the flag to be perfectly frank.

2nd....... Quite!

3rd........It's a chain that will most likely not receive my custom.

4th.....Agreed.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top