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At my home track, we have an elected board of directors to run the business, and an elected comittee to run the golf/social side.

Over the last few years, there have been quite a few changes to the course, such as lengthening holes, reciting bunkers, and cutting down trees.

The lengthening made the front nine harder, and there are moves afoot to do the same to the back nine as it is percieved as unbalanced. This is decided by the comittee, with no consultation with the members. Average medal results show that the course is hard enough, as only about 20 or so beat par par is 72, and often CSS is 72/71).

Recently they have removed the conifers from the back of the 18th green, which dramatically changes the look of the hole, and plans to make the area where they were an internal out of bounds (We have no oob at present, and internal oob is one of my pet hates. the idea is that due to elf and safety the huge bank they have now uncovered is too dangerous to have golfers going down to play/look for balls, like someone is going to abandon a proV they can see, so why does oob make it safer?). There are also plans to remove more conifers from just short of the green to be replaced by a bunker, which will make it play much easier (in my view).

There was consultation over the 16th though, a blind par three, which has been left as it was designed (possibly a mistake as it is the hole I like least).

When you elect a comittee, are they custodians of the course, or do you expect them to dig bits of it up and change it as they see fit? They serve for a two year term, and have no stated manifesto when they are elected, so you don't really know what you are voting for, just whether the guy is a 'good bloke'.

We have about 700 members, so why should the course layout be altered significantly on the whim of 8?
 
Murph,

Was there no communication or referal to the membership regarding these alterations before the work was started ? If not that's not the best way to keep the membership happy.

Okay, I agree that the committee are elected and therefor have a mandate to serve the members interests in the running of the club, but changes to the course like this cause friction and bad feeling if they are not "discussed" with the membership.

We have a had some major work done this autumn, but it was detailed at a members meeting back in the summer and as a result the bulk of the work was done and completed before the wort of the winter weather arrived. The upshot is we have better drainage on three fairways and two new greemns which will be ready for play early next season.

Good communication with the members helped all this flow freely.
 
First I knew of the latest changes was a moment of wtf when playing the changed holes.

Should the comittee be trusted to change the course, or should major changes be put to the vote?

It always worries me that the one thing anyone going onto a comittee (or becomming Captain) seems to think of is leaving some lasting memory, such that they can say, when I was on the ... we did that...Rather than saying when I was in power we had a tidy course, in good nick and sound finances.
 
The question is Murph have the changes been done with improving the course or has it made no differance?I say that from your committee you are looking for some forward thinking and ideas that are going to enhance the course and club.If what they have done has in general achieved this then great if not it has been a ego trip or an idea that has been a total waste of time and money.
Forward thinking Committees are hard to find as the problem with most are 1)They are in advancing years and are dried up with ideas.2)They are not good enough golfers to carry out course renevations/playing issues with any real knowledge.3)They never play there golf anywhere else but at their own track.
 
We've had a very proactive greens committee guy over the past 3 years. He's made a point of keeping everyone up to date with proposed works and has followed on with progress reports once work has started. A quarterly news update on the notice boards and on the web site has given everyone the chance to make themselves aware of what is going on around our course.

In the past we have had one or two people who have not been as effective on the information front, but we've not had anything as bad as your describing Murph. Sounds like someone is out to make their mark on the course.
 
I wasn't there, but no it wasn't. Most work is done after external consultation, with a team who don't know the course. We do however always have a member of the scratch team on the comittee, on greens.

I agree some work may benefit the course, but some has been horrendous. Once trees are gone, you can't put them back.

One of my problems with the internal oob at the back of 18 is it is a dog leg par 5, very reachable in two. From where you could be hitting your second, you won't see if you are oob til you get there, and it is then a heck of a walk back. Can't think why this did not come up in the consultation.
 
it's just possible that there was an issue with the conifers that simply hasn't been communicated.

course 'improvements' at our track included pulling out a row of conifers that formed an oob (and highly effective trap) on one hole. it was only when talking to the course manager one evening that I found out that they had a limited life and would have had to come out within two years anyway.
it's possible, even probable, that the committee were aware of this - who else was certainly didn't include me.
 
You know Murph, all the points you make in you first post, although a fair debating point for us guys, I’m wondering if it really should be put to your committee in a letter. Any changes at my course is well documented and the good reasons for it being done. We know before hand about proposals, the main word being proposals.

Now, a wee bit off topic, but this lengthening thing gets on my wick. It doesn’t really bother the quality golfers and it’s not as if Tiger was there and ripped the course to bits, maybe hit the odd tree eh. It’s not the changing of any course that bothers me, it’s changing it, just because it seems to be the fashion these days. I sometimes think that committees tend to forget the number one priority should be for members enjoyment………..out on the course. Unless your club is in with a shout of open qualifying or some prestigious tournament then lengthening golf courses should not be done just for the sake of fashion.
 
We have a very good communication process where work for the year is proposed, discussed and agreed by the AGM. If there is any other work that needs doing I understand there are set parameters in which in can be done (emergency repairs if you like) after which and mainly dependant on cost an EGM may be convened.

A lot of our work at the moment seems to be on upgrading the bunkering and planting and thinning out the trees on each fairway which will eventually give more definition per hole and more of a feeling of each hole being on its own.
 
We have about 700 members, so why should the course layout be altered significantly on the whim of 8?

In theory once elected thay should be able to do what they want...and this is how the government work... don't remember New Labour saying they were going to secretly bail out banks like HBOS for £61Billion without mentioning it to Lloyds shareholders who were being ballotted for a merger at the time thus screwing them over completely.

Do your committee members get fairly elected?
I take it only a few people put their names forward at any given opportunity?
 
Read your constitution book and see how many members it would take to raise and objection and call an EGM. If your that unhappy about how your course is being run then dont bury your head, get involved now or forever hold yer wheesht!

Or without being as drastic as that write to them and explain your concerns and ask to meet them face to face I'm sure they will take time to tell you why where when.

Good luck.
 
I was really just wondering if this sort of thing is the norm really. It seems a bit wrong to me. Ok, some changes are good, some not so, but what would happen if they totally messed it up. It isn't until trees are gone you get to see what it looks like, and what effect it has, but you can't put them back in a hurry. The usual justification (after he event) is to say that whatever has been cut down was 'out of character'. Like the golf course is a natural feature of the woods. The whole flipping course is out of character with the 1000 year old woods.
 
Dave can't have read the same books.
Despite the conifers that were removed, overall new planting around the course has more than trebled what was taken out.

Given time, this will change the shape of quite a few holes, mostly I think for the better, eg narrowing a wide open fairway.
 
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