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Has Suarez done it again?
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Pin-seeker
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Well if he doesn't you've got a bit more ammo to fire at him
Unbelievable
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Well the thread has took a bit of a childish turn - not sure what having cheap digs at me has to do with the thread about Suarez.
Pin-seeker
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Apologies Phil just didn't think you liked people generalising others. Sorry if I offended you :thup:
Evesdad
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Here is the link of the journalist that tried to track down the incident. Interesting read tbh.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/sto...nner-luis-suarez-soccer-most-beautiful-player
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/sto...nner-luis-suarez-soccer-most-beautiful-player
Stuey01
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Were Liverpool stupid when they stuck up for him last time? Or is that different for some bizarre reason?
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Do you mean when they fined him ? And the chairman and CEO said it was behaviour not "befit" of Liverpool player
So wouldnt say they "stuck" up for him more disciplined him and critsized him behaviour publically
standrew
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Apparantly Suarez won the golden boot ;-)
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Sweep
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I am not sure if any if my comments have been made by others. 69 pages and all that. This guy certainly polarises opinion.
Apart from the obvious concerns over his mental state that allows him to bite opponents 3 times, I also think he must be a bit stupid.
Its great when a player plays well for his country and he must have been chuffed to score 2 great goals against England, but to then say it was retribution for English fans who laughed at him, was just plain daft. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it's never a good idea to have a go at those who pay your wages - or bite the hand that feeds you lol. All the Liverpool fans who pay for tickets and shirts, all the sponsors and sadly those like me who pay our Sky Sports subscription. We weren't laughing at you Mr. Suarez. We were appalled at your racist, cheating, violent behaviour. Scoring 2 goals for your country is never going to atone for any of that.
In my view the ban is lenient. FIFA have gone for time rather than matches and in the case of domestic football it pretty much amounts to the same ban as last time, give or take the European games. That didn't stop him then, so why will it stop him now? At the end of the day, we don't want to keep punishing the guy, we just want him to behave.
In my view, in this transfer window we will see who is the most desperate for success. Who will be prepared to put right and wrong aside and employ this pitiful excuse for a sportsman in a desperate attempt for success? Who is prepared to put the good name of their own club aside for a chance of silverware?
Apart from the obvious concerns over his mental state that allows him to bite opponents 3 times, I also think he must be a bit stupid.
Its great when a player plays well for his country and he must have been chuffed to score 2 great goals against England, but to then say it was retribution for English fans who laughed at him, was just plain daft. It doesn't take a genius to work out that it's never a good idea to have a go at those who pay your wages - or bite the hand that feeds you lol. All the Liverpool fans who pay for tickets and shirts, all the sponsors and sadly those like me who pay our Sky Sports subscription. We weren't laughing at you Mr. Suarez. We were appalled at your racist, cheating, violent behaviour. Scoring 2 goals for your country is never going to atone for any of that.
In my view the ban is lenient. FIFA have gone for time rather than matches and in the case of domestic football it pretty much amounts to the same ban as last time, give or take the European games. That didn't stop him then, so why will it stop him now? At the end of the day, we don't want to keep punishing the guy, we just want him to behave.
In my view, in this transfer window we will see who is the most desperate for success. Who will be prepared to put right and wrong aside and employ this pitiful excuse for a sportsman in a desperate attempt for success? Who is prepared to put the good name of their own club aside for a chance of silverware?
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From the Independent
Luis Suarez bite: Let’s move past the shock value and get some perspective
Danny Mills would send him to jail, Alan Shearer would ban him worldwide for “as long as I couldâ€, which under Fifa statutes is two years. What heinous crime could Luis Suarez have committed to prompt such a response from two players who were not exactly shrinking violets on the field?
He bit someone.
He did not fix a match, which strikes at the very heart of sport. He did not use performance-enhancing drugs, which is the most insidious form of cheating. He did not go over the top and break an opponent’s leg, or shatter an opponent’s nose or cheekbone with an elbow. He did not attack a referee (he has done that, head-butting an official, but that was 11 years ago when he was playing youth team football at 16 and he received a long ban).
In my mind these are all worse acts than biting an opponent, especially given it was in the heat of the moment, and he did not pursue the act long enough to draw blood.
What he did was disgusting and horrible, sets a terrible example and would be deeply unpleasant to be a victim of. But Giorgio Chiellini played on. If Suarez had broken his leg with a reckless, even premeditated tackle (it happens) he would have been out until Christmas.
Suarez needs psychiatric help, not a jail sentence. He deserves to be banned, ideally for the duration of the World Cup with a longer sentence suspended on condition he has professional treatment, but is his offence really deserving of a longer ban than a player who has threatened the livelihood of another? It is the shock value, and the recidivism, which has accounted for the publicity and outrage.
There is also, clearly, a cultural issue. In Italy, according to a SkyItalia reporter, they are more interested in assessing who is to blame for the Azzurri being out of the World Cup at the group stage (Mario Balotelli appears to be receiving more blame than Suarez). In Brazil the incident seems to be regarded as comedy rather than horror.
In England, however, Suarez is beyond the pale. Diving, biting, cheating: he fits our stereotype of the South American footballing bad guy, the latest in a long line stretching back past Diego Maradona to Antonio Rattin. There is also a place, it should be said, for lovable South Americans, such as Ossie Ardiles, Gus Poyet, and all things Brazilian.
And yet, if the behaviour of Uruguayan Suarez is so reprehensible, how is it Dylan Hartley is still being picked for England’s rugby union team? The hooker was banned for eight weeks for biting the finger of Ireland’s Steven Ferris in a Six Nations international in 2012 – and a finger is rather more vulnerable than a shoulder. Nor was it his first, or last, offence. In 2007 Hartley was banned for six months for eye gouging, which, considering the possible consequences, is far worse than nibbling on a shoulder. He was also banned for punching an opponent and for abusing a referee. Last week this serial offender started for England against New Zealand, his 56th cap. No one seemed to be outraged.
Luis Suarez bite: Let’s move past the shock value and get some perspective
Danny Mills would send him to jail, Alan Shearer would ban him worldwide for “as long as I couldâ€, which under Fifa statutes is two years. What heinous crime could Luis Suarez have committed to prompt such a response from two players who were not exactly shrinking violets on the field?
He bit someone.
He did not fix a match, which strikes at the very heart of sport. He did not use performance-enhancing drugs, which is the most insidious form of cheating. He did not go over the top and break an opponent’s leg, or shatter an opponent’s nose or cheekbone with an elbow. He did not attack a referee (he has done that, head-butting an official, but that was 11 years ago when he was playing youth team football at 16 and he received a long ban).
In my mind these are all worse acts than biting an opponent, especially given it was in the heat of the moment, and he did not pursue the act long enough to draw blood.
What he did was disgusting and horrible, sets a terrible example and would be deeply unpleasant to be a victim of. But Giorgio Chiellini played on. If Suarez had broken his leg with a reckless, even premeditated tackle (it happens) he would have been out until Christmas.
Suarez needs psychiatric help, not a jail sentence. He deserves to be banned, ideally for the duration of the World Cup with a longer sentence suspended on condition he has professional treatment, but is his offence really deserving of a longer ban than a player who has threatened the livelihood of another? It is the shock value, and the recidivism, which has accounted for the publicity and outrage.
There is also, clearly, a cultural issue. In Italy, according to a SkyItalia reporter, they are more interested in assessing who is to blame for the Azzurri being out of the World Cup at the group stage (Mario Balotelli appears to be receiving more blame than Suarez). In Brazil the incident seems to be regarded as comedy rather than horror.
In England, however, Suarez is beyond the pale. Diving, biting, cheating: he fits our stereotype of the South American footballing bad guy, the latest in a long line stretching back past Diego Maradona to Antonio Rattin. There is also a place, it should be said, for lovable South Americans, such as Ossie Ardiles, Gus Poyet, and all things Brazilian.
And yet, if the behaviour of Uruguayan Suarez is so reprehensible, how is it Dylan Hartley is still being picked for England’s rugby union team? The hooker was banned for eight weeks for biting the finger of Ireland’s Steven Ferris in a Six Nations international in 2012 – and a finger is rather more vulnerable than a shoulder. Nor was it his first, or last, offence. In 2007 Hartley was banned for six months for eye gouging, which, considering the possible consequences, is far worse than nibbling on a shoulder. He was also banned for punching an opponent and for abusing a referee. Last week this serial offender started for England against New Zealand, his 56th cap. No one seemed to be outraged.
Pin-seeker
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Well that didn't last long
Apologies for cutting out a large chunk of your post but it would have made mine unwieldly...
I'm at a loss at what you are trying to achieve. Are you saying that Suarez's behaviour is closer to acceptable than Dylan Hartley's? Is the version of perspective you are looking to promote supposed to make people feel guilty about the hounding Suarez is getting?
There's a line in the sand that both Hartley and Suarez have crossed. You can argue the toss about who is the worst villian if you wish but it still doesn't detract from the fact they are both way, way over that line.
I loved watching Suarez and Liverpool last season, and was willing them to win the league. If Liverpool were on the TV today, with Suarez in the team, I'd change channels. Maybe I'm in a majority of one with that sentiment... but what if I'm not, what will the sponsors view be?
You can split hairs as many times as you like about where Suarez's behaviour fits into the scale of horrendous or just naughty, knock yourself out with that, but I hope he never graces a football pitch in the EPL again.
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Ask the author - that's an article from the Independent :thup:
And yes both Hartley and Suarez are way way over the line - would have to ask - Did Hartley get crucified as much as Suarez has ( and not saying the what has been said about Suarez and his actions are wrong )
And yes both Hartley and Suarez are way way over the line - would have to ask - Did Hartley get crucified as much as Suarez has ( and not saying the what has been said about Suarez and his actions are wrong )
peterlav
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To compare what happens on a football pitch to what happens on a rugby pitch is simply idiotic. Even at the schoolboy level I played both, I would never have done some of the things during a football match, as I did during rugby. The goings on in the 2 games cannot be compared.
In what is rapidly becoming a non-contact sport, Suarez has bitten an opponent on 3 seperate occasions, has been banned, has been given help, because he has now also done it at a World Cup, a longer ban (and don't forget it is only a slightly longer domestic ban up from 10 games for biting Ivanovic to 13 games now)
Does anyone in their right mind honestly suggest that a ban for the World Cup (possibly only 1 game) or an extended International ban and then let him play at the start of the Premier League would have been sufficient?
I agree he hasn't injured anyone or stopped anyone from being able to play or risked another players career, but what he has done has repeated the act, surely if you ban someone and they repeat the act the ban has to increase (and more help sought) with each indiscretion?
In what is rapidly becoming a non-contact sport, Suarez has bitten an opponent on 3 seperate occasions, has been banned, has been given help, because he has now also done it at a World Cup, a longer ban (and don't forget it is only a slightly longer domestic ban up from 10 games for biting Ivanovic to 13 games now)
Does anyone in their right mind honestly suggest that a ban for the World Cup (possibly only 1 game) or an extended International ban and then let him play at the start of the Premier League would have been sufficient?
I agree he hasn't injured anyone or stopped anyone from being able to play or risked another players career, but what he has done has repeated the act, surely if you ban someone and they repeat the act the ban has to increase (and more help sought) with each indiscretion?
Beezerk
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Was listening to Shearer slag off Suarez the other day, made me chuckle. This is the guy who kicked a fellow player in the head and then held the FA to ransom to avoid a lengthy ban.
Shearer = hero to many
Suarez = possibly most hated man in football (in some quarters anyway)
I'm not trying to back up Suarez at all, they're all at it and to be totally honest, diving and cheating annoys me more than a player losing it for a split second.
Shearer = hero to many
Suarez = possibly most hated man in football (in some quarters anyway)
I'm not trying to back up Suarez at all, they're all at it and to be totally honest, diving and cheating annoys me more than a player losing it for a split second.
Pin-seeker
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I'm sorry but fetching Rugby up is just pathetic.
Obviously it gets less coverage & less media attention.
Obviously it gets less coverage & less media attention.
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I'm not sure who's a worse person.... Hitler, Jimmy Savile or suarez.
Imurg
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So what you're saying is that because Hartley didn't get crucified! we shouldn't crucify Suarez....?
Just stop now Phil...
Please......
Pin-seeker
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Clutching at straws.
You do have to laugh when you read things like "scape goat" & "vendetta" when discussing Suarez. He bit some one for the 3rd time for god sake!!!!!
Hope we never have to hear Liverpool fans say " not the kind of person I'd want playing for my club" again.
