handicapping systems - fairness

tgsloon

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Hello all,

Having only started playing golf 20 months ago, it was my pleasure to start up our golf society at my workplace at the same time. I was already aware of many players at work and was relishing the challenge of being able to track their handicaps as many were not members of any clubs.

The society got under way and, after discussions with more experienced players, we decided to adopt the European handicap limits of 36 for both male and female members. This worked well as many players, like myself, were very new to the game.

Society days were organised and with these higher handicaps, the newer players were able to compete with the more experienced players without feeling disheartened with very low scores from a 28 handicap.

I am pleased to say that all members are now playing from at least 28 but would welcome input from the forum as to whether they feel new players benefit from this or not.

My own view is that playing off 28 from the very start would have put my game on the back foot where I would not have enjoyed the competition as much. Others say that playing off below your actual playing standard forces you to raise your game but surely if this was the case all players would play from scratch.

Why have a handicap system at all if not to put players of all abilities on a level playing field. Is a great round from a player of lesser ability any more or less a winning round than a great round from a better player.
 
I totally agree with the system to be honest, when I was in a golf society ages ago I started with a 34 handicap and proceeded to win a couple of our society days.

Culminating in a bandit like 48 points playing off 31 and winning our Chairmans Cup, I then got cut down to about 21 I think! lol

Anyway, its a different kettle of fish to your average club in my opinion and having handicaps up to 36 does allow the lesser players a shot at some glory....and you ask my wife, that first bit of glory I got is what got me well n truly hooked.
 
I tend to favour h/c limitations at golf clubs, and I am also in favour of h/c leagues. I think anyone able bodied, is capable of attaining a 24 to 26 h/c with the right committment and guidance.

Those unable to achieve should play casual golf or open comp off limited h/c until they can achieve.

This gives golfers goals as well as a fairer playing field.

Leagues/Divisions work perfectly well in many other sports but are not so readily or so often used in golf.
 
Okay. So what happened?

I could have sworn that I'd left a post on this thread. For once I don't think it was controvertial or rude etc. But I come back to it today and find that it's not here!

Have I been modded!?

I'm confused.

HH: Happens to me all the time - I think I've posted a wonderfully erudite and carefully crafted response, and hey presto it doesn't appear. (I think I cock it up at the "preview stage" so I only think I've seen it posted etc etc...)
 
Hapless, I wiped all of the posts below the first reply as there was too much rubbish to wade through, I apologise if your post was culled along with it, I might be able to copy and paste the original post back in?
 
My opinion is that anything over 28 is a silly figure.

Most 28's still make some good scores but mess up big time on a few holes. The messing up "big time" should go away quite quickly to messing up "small time", therefore figures above 28 are just pandering to the very beginner players.

28 h'cap means "probably going round in 100" in my book.

I've known folks go from 110 to 100 overnight. Once you manage 100, 95 is normaly close as well. After that....well you know the rest.

36 is acceptable for a society of social players, If I turned up for a game somewhere with a group of 28-36s I'd just expect to have no chance. If there were a few of all standards, I'd say together, they'd probably be non too chuffed.

f.w.i.w. I was playing to about 100 for my first h'cap and got put on 24 after discounting trebles etc. Using the "discounting trebles" theory, even beginners playing to 110 would probably end up on 28 or less anyway. Just 'cause someone plays 110 shots, doesn't mean their h'cap should be 38. Chances are they play half the course as good as an 20-28.

I could be confused of course, it's been a while.... :)
 
Hello all,

I'm not sure where the line between social and competitive golf lies but our group average about 3 or 4 rounds a month per person. We arrange tees within the workplace at various clubs around Kent but tend to have £1-£1-£1 for front nine, back nine and overall within the whole group.

Being that many have difficulty achieving the sub 100 scores you mention do you not feel the higher handicap limit allow all players a fighting chance.

I run the society on a month to month update of handicaps which means any high scores are quickly reflected in changes to handicaps. This way any players coming in with higher than 36pts will be swiftly cut the following month.

With this system of updates it means players "live" handicap is more realistic than 3 or 4 medal days a year reducing the chance of 'bandit' scores. After only a few months handicaps quickly reach a players actual playing standard, and, in my opinion means all players are playing on a level arena.

I feel the 28 limit would have meant many would not have continued playing due to the handing out of money to the experienced players. As a result of the upper limit increase and greater competition all players have continued to play, all reaching below 28 handicaps and the greater competition pushing the experienced players to improve as well.

Surely the whole point of a handicap system is for all abilities to compete. If I had played from 28 from the start I would have had to have knocked 8 shots off my game just to be on the level of an average game for an experienced player - is this fair competition. Would you still feel competitive playing off 4 instead of 12?
 
Hi

Any male who needs to play off a handicap of more than 28 should be allowed to do so on the provision they play off the womens tees and wear appropriate female garb, perhaps a skirt and tights.

Problem solved

Edgey
 
The european system gives all players equal fairness of both sexes, and men and women play from a maximum of 36.

We may not be in Europe but are we any less fair? or do players want to take advantage of those of lesser ability.

When I began the society I hadn't even swung a club so the 36 handicap kept my interest and allowed me to compete. Now, 20months later, I am down to a 26 but believe the poor scoring at the beginning may have made me disheartened and turn my back on the game. That help at the start really got me hooked and now, look forward to every round I play but have no qualms about players starting out with higher handicaps if they are regulated stringently enough, as mine was.
 
Hi

Any male who needs to play off a handicap of more than 28 should be allowed to do so on the provision they play off the womens tees and wear appropriate female garb, perhaps a skirt and tights.

Problem solved

Edgey

Nah! That's just for weekends off the course!! :o :D

Is it :D damn, no wonder I get looked at! just weekends you say? :D
 
I'm only a beginner and have yet to get within 10 shots of breaking 100 but I was given a 27 handicap at our recent group event. It only resulted in me getting mid 20s stableford scores but I was pleased to be pushing myself towards a realistic goal. I think if you're selecting a handicap for golfers who are beginners or who don't play that often then it's the golfers intentions for the round that matter. I didn't care about my positioning in the competition as such, I wanted to push myself as a golfer, something I don't think I would have been as motivated to do if given the leeway of a 30+ handicap.
 
We have a couple of fellas on our society that play off 34/36. We gave them this as they were never, ever anywhere near challenging. They never complined either, so wasn't something they pushed for, but the committee offered it and they accepted. Think they have both broken 30 points for the first time this year! Not the greatest golfers, but they love the day out. It suits them and suits the society.

We have a couple of fellas in our gang from 'The Island' too, so they also get more shots than they should....but that's to make up for the fact they can't hold the clubs properly, what with webbed fingers and all ;)

Welcome tgsloon - have fun on here. May see you at Deangate some time....I'm playing there on Saturday evening
 
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