rosecott
Money List Winner
I'm sure he will be happy to be cut but the "illegal" action of the Handicap Sec/Committee has to be challenged. If they get away with this, who knows what else they could get up to if they feel like it.
Handicap slashed in non-qualifier
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I'm sure he will be happy to be cut but the "illegal" action of the Handicap Sec/Committee has to be challenged. If they get away with this, who knows what else they could get up to if they feel like it.
Foxholer
Blackballed
If it were DelC's club, maybe put him up to the 14/15 he thinks he should be? (to score 36 points every time
)?Indeed, there are still a number of Handicap Committees that either don't realise, or ignore the fact, that they are only delegated the authority to maintain handicaps (ultimately from Congu). Some seem to think that their role is to 'level the playing field' at their club ignoring the rules under which their authority has been delegated!
A reminder of how the system works - from the Area Authority - normally sorts them out!
BTatHome
Tour Winner
Funnily enough your last comment is what I have already said
I believe I can now see where the 6 shots come from ... he had a mid-oct medal round that would have triggered the ESR marker. Since he only played one/two more qualifiers before this round the cut has come from 4.0 and then 2 shot ESR.
I do however still have two issues, why was his the only score to be considered as a qualifying score (which must be true or they couldn't be trying to apply the ESR) and secondly why is the comp not a qualifier (hence reductions and +0.1 for others).
rulefan
Tour Winner
The whole point of knowing it is a qualifier is the extra pressure the player is under. Remove that, and is of no more significance than a summer holiday round in Portugal.
As has been said, the committee should be reminded of their responsibilities. They are not there to second guess the system and provide players with vanity handicaps.
As has been said, the committee should be reminded of their responsibilities. They are not there to second guess the system and provide players with vanity handicaps.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Having been made aware of a few more of the circumstances, there MAY be a reasonable case for 'slashing' the guy's handicap! There is a relevant clause in Congu that allows this, though it does start 'In exceptional circumstances...' I believe it should be done in consultation with the Area Authority with all the relevant facts made available.
Of course, it's also time for the Annual Review too!
Of course, it's also time for the Annual Review too!
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
not wishing to hijack the thread, but in our winter league, played off the yellows with top 5 cards out of max 20 counting, my current top 5 stand at 35, 38, 38,39, 40 and im currently leading div3 .
Are they able to use the winter league standings in the annual review?
Are they able to use the winter league standings in the annual review?
rulefan
Tour Winner
Having been made aware of a few more of the circumstances, there MAY be a reasonable case for 'slashing' the guy's handicap! There is a relevant clause in Congu that allows this, though it does start 'In exceptional circumstances...' I believe it should be done in consultation with the Area Authority with all the relevant facts made available.
Of course, it's also time for the Annual Review too!
23.7 In exceptional circumstances the Handicap Committee may adjust the handicap of a player in the
period between Annual Reviews if there is compelling evidence that his Exact Handicap does not
reflect his current playing ability. Appendix M should be consulted for guidance.
Two relevant clauses from Appendix M
Only adjust a handicap after all information available in regard to the playing ability of the player has
been considered. Decisions made on the basis of ‘knee-jerk’ reactions to a single performance or good
score are seldom justifiable.
Not use General Play Adjustments as a ‘punishment’ (or ‘reward’) for success in either match or stroke
play competitions.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Not as formal evidence. I don't see those scores with the other 15 being anything like strong enough to justify an adjustment anyway.
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bobmac
Major Champion
Is the person happy he's been chopped 6 shots?
Green Bay Hacker
Journeyman Pro
We had something similar in the summer. One of our pensioners won with 9 under par (7 under CSS) in a monthly medal with nothing worse than a bogey on the card and was cut from 23 to 20 which was fine. In the next monthly medal he came in 7 under par (5 under CSS) to win the division again which really upset the handicap sec. A drop of 1.5 was increased to 5 so he was now down to 15. Most of the club thought it was a disgrace but the player himself seemed pleased as he had never been so low.
rosecott
Money List Winner
Another case of "my rules, lump it or like it". The two scores mentioned would almost certainly have produced an ESR recommendation of a further 2 strokes. Why would any Handicap Sec think that he should go up and beyond that?
chellie
Tour Winner
Green Bay Hacker
Journeyman Pro
Because he thinks he cheats and wants to teach him a lesson?
Really you should not be cut under general play because of a single good result in a non-qualifier. However several other recent good results in stroke play or match play competitions could be taken into consideration. Would this apply? 6 shots does sound rather a drastic cut though! :mmm:
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Foxholer
Blackballed
Well, who would have realised that! Unless they'd read some of the thread, like Posts 3, 4, 7, 8, 21 and a host of others!
Maybe the H/Sec came 2nd! With 45 or 46 points!
ger147
Tour Winner
Well, who would have realised that! Unless they'd read some of the thread, like Posts 3, 4, 7, 8, 21 and a host of others!
Maybe the H/Sec came 2nd! With 45 or 46 points!
No need for the attack on Delc, just offering his opinion the same as everyone else and you didn't feel the need to attack anyone else 😐
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Or as is more likely the H/Cap Sec hasn't got a clue what he/she is doing.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
strictly 'they' are not permitted to apply a general play adjustment under clause 23 anyway - it requires the Handicap Committee to make such a decision...
rosecott
Money List Winner
Agreed Duncan. That seems to be ignored in these discussions. CONGU have made it crystal clear that such decisions should not be made by a single individual but by a properly appointed committee.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I know thanks but unfortunately unless players inform their unions what is going on this sort of thing will continue to happen.
As chairman of our handicap committe I am always having to explain to golfers that the old ways weren't necessarily the best.
