Hailstones on green

It's in the rule and i included it because I know some people would call me out for omitting it. If you ever say "never" or "Only" or "all" or any word that closes a category you are probably wrong an will be called on it. It's an old lawyer trick, always leave yourself room to manoeuver. I forget it sometimes.
 
North Mimms said:
I assume that clearing a perfect path just wider than a ball to guide the ball perfectly into the hole counts as "influence" !
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I don't think it is influence but it is probably a breach of rule 1-2: the player must not "alter physical conditions with the intent of affecting the playing of a hole." Removing loose impediments generally around the green (not to make a path) seems like it violates this rule but the note to 1-2 says: 1. An action expressly permitted or expressly prohibited by another Rule is subject to that other Rule, not Rule 1-2. Rule 23 expressly allows removal of loose impediments such as hail. I think if you removed just enough hail to make a path to guide the ball violates 1-2.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
As far as I'm aware you can treat the hail as LI and can brush them away with your hand only ( not club or towel etc )
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As has been said another myth.

One of our members attended the R&A rules school and was asked (as part of a group) to indicate by raising a hand when the tutor broke a rule clearing LI on a green. The progression was something like back of hand, towel, putter, dust pan & brush, cordless garden vac!!! All OK according to rules provided nothing pressed down or done to influence path of ball!

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I heard a new one (to me at least) in the clubhouse. Someone had been told that you could brush away loose impediments on the green with a gloved hand but not a bare one. Or was it a bare one, but not a gloved one? :confused:
 
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Colin L said:
I heard a new one (to me at least) in the clubhouse. Someone had been told that you could brush away loose impediments on the green with a gloved hand but not a bare one. Or was it a bare one, but not a gloved one? :confused:
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Maybe he had very rough hands and was testing the surface.:D
 
SVB said:
As has been said another myth.

One of our members attended the R&A rules school and was asked (as part of a group) to indicate by raising a hand when the tutor broke a rule clearing LI on a green. The progression was something like back of hand, towel, putter, dust pan & brush, cordless garden vac!!! All OK according to rules provided nothing pressed down or done to influence path of ball!

S
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Surely use of Dust Pan and Brush breaches 14-3 (the Unusual Equipment/Unusual Use of Equipment bit) - at least for Men!:whistle:
 
Foxholer said:
Surely use of Dust Pan and Brush breaches 14-3 (the Unusual Equipment/Unusual Use of Equipment bit) - at least for Men!:whistle:
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Brushing that sexist remark aside, I think I will decline club champ's suggestion of betting everything in the know-all's wallet. I don't make mistakes with the Rules very often, but that would be just the time I would. :rolleyes:
 
I once used my V-easy using a side to side swishing motion to clear hailstones. It was in a friendly with nothing riding on it, but I have always wondered if it would be OK. It was extremely effective and quick, and cleared a wide path....( not just a ball sized track).

I don't think it was pressing anything down, at least no more than using a towel in a similar manner..........my personal thoughts are it would be OK, but most people I speak to think not.......what do the rules experts think?
 
I prefer to make a nice clear track to the hole leaving the hail built up on either side like the lane buffers at a bowling alley - nothing wrong with that is there? ;)
 
Foxholer said:
Surely use of Dust Pan and Brush breaches 14-3 (the Unusual Equipment/Unusual Use of Equipment bit) - at least for Men!:whistle:
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Would it though? All 23-1 says is they may be removed but doesn't specify any method to do so and decision 23-1/1 makes it clear through wording it as the use of any means as long as nothing is pressed down ;).

The use of this artificial device/equipment does not assist in making a stroke or in you play. (except the assistance of clearing loose impediments as provided in 23-1)
It doesn't measure or gauge conditions or distance.
It doesn't help you grip the club.

But could you imagine the ribbing you get when pulling one out of your bag! Better yet would be the leaf blower.

The casual water/loose impediments choice is handy with hail. I have played where there was a sudden hail storm. Wind direction caused a build up in bunkers where the hail was trapped and didn't clear as quickly due to the build up. I had landed on the hail that had built up near the face of the bunker. This rule allowed me to move back from the face and play from the sand (with my poor technique it still took me 2 to get out mind you)
 
Dearie me, Bob! You seem to have missed that Foxholer was just making a joke. The clues are in "at least for Men" and the whistling smilie. ;)
 
Colin L said:
Dearie me, Bob! You seem to have missed that Foxholer was just making a joke. The clues are in "at least for Men" and the whistling smilie. ;)
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Yup would appear that I did lol. Got to stop replying to this section when I'm going to bed. :rolleyes::mmm:

I did find the perfect one to go with my castle tees and maybe help sweep some of the egg from my face. :thup:

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